s/o What happened to Natalie Holloway?

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Anonymous wrote:I dont believe him either. His choice of words are very odd.

FWIW he took a polygraph and passed.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont believe him either. His choice of words are very odd.

FWIW he took a polygraph and passed.

Not being facetious- can sociopaths get accurate polygraph results? Seems like they would always pass given their lack of feelings.

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Only 20 years for this POS?

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Anonymous wrote:He admitted it.

And he killed her because she refused to have sex with him.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/us/joran-van-der-sloot-natalee-holloway-plea-wednesday/index.html

If Daily Mail is correct, he gave specific details and Natalie's mom believed him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12644725/Joran-van-der-sloot-Natalee-Holloway-sentencing.html

I don't believe him either. But I understand her mother believing him. She needs the closure and the peace.

She said she feels that now, so I guess I'm happy for her. She's been through hell. And poor, poor Natalie.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont believe him either. His choice of words are very odd.

FWIW he took a polygraph and passed.

Not being facetious- can sociopaths get accurate polygraph results? Seems like they would always pass given their lack of feelings.

No one can get accurate polygraph results. They're BS.

[Anonymous]

Polygraph or no, I don’t believe a single word this POS says. I think he had help dumping the body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she got drink, raped, killed and dumped on the ocean. This is a big part of why I hate alcohol, especially for young people. You just don't make sound decisions nor have the ability to care for yourself when impaired. Dumb girl got drunk.

Victim blame!

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Anonymous wrote:Polygraph or no, I don’t believe a single word this POS says. I think he had help dumping the body.

Maybe his two acquaintances helped him, but I'm not sure that was necessary. She was quite a bit smaller than he. If already on the beach, how hard would it be to add some weight and drag her body out to sea?

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Anonymous wrote:Polygraph or no, I don’t believe a single word this POS says. I think he had help dumping the body.

Maybe his two acquaintances helped him, but I'm not sure that was necessary. She was quite a bit smaller than he. If already on the beach, how hard would it be to add some weight and drag her body out to sea?

I was thinking his dad was the helper - took her out to sea on their boat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe him. He says he waded knee deep into the water and dumped the body right there? No way. It would have washed ashore. POS is still telling lies all these years later.

Maybe the tide was going out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe him. He says he waded knee deep into the water and dumped the body right there? No way. It would have washed ashore. POS is still telling lies all these years later.

I don’t believe him either. I think he’s just letting some story so he can get the plea deal of concurrent sentence of 20 yrs along with 28 years for murder in Peru. He was involved in her killing but he didn’t act slur and he’s protecting those other two fellows or his dad. I CS believe his dad or others helped him get rid of the body in his boat.

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Anonymous wrote:As others point out, she could have been drugged. Or wasn’t drunk. So stop speculating she was. And it’s pretty irrelevant to fault.

Joran did it and he’s a piece of sh—— for lots of reasons. But not telling the family the truth is despicable.

Give it a rest. Even her mother agrees she was drinking.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/natalee-holloway-new-clues/

Again, so what?

The “so what” is stop pretending that she wasn’t drinking and that it’s speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:Polygraph or no, I don’t believe a single word this POS says. I think he had help dumping the body.

Maybe his two acquaintances helped him, but I'm not sure that was necessary. She was quite a bit smaller than he. If already on the beach, how hard would it be to add some weight and drag her body out to sea?

I was thinking his dad was the helper - took her out to sea on their boat.

Wasn’t there evidence that the family boat was taken out that night? I agree with the PP that he didn’t wade into the water with her. I think the rest of the story is true.

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Anonymous wrote:exactly. it is NOT victim blaming to point out that getting drunk has risks.

It is, actually. That is the definition of victim blaming.

What’s wrong with victim blaming? Are you telling your teenage daughters that it’s perfectly fine to go get drunk at the age of 18 and leave a bar with a strange guy? People who die while drunk driving, people who don’t wear helmets while riding a bike, people who go on hikes in the desert without enough water - it’s a tragedy when some of them die, but acknowledging that they were being reckless is how we learn not to make the same mistakes ourselves.

Legal drinking again Aruba is 18. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have a drink. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have sex. What's NOT OK is the guy killing her.

Of course it’s not ok for him to kill her. But saying that everything is fine as long as it’s legal is an inane argument. It’s legal to do a lot of risky behaviors. It’s legal to buy a gun and sleep with it loaded under your pillow, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it. It’s legal to go out for a midnight jog along the street wearing all black, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it.

She absolutely didn’t deserve to be killed, but if the witnesses were correct about how drunk she was, then her choices endangered her. Just like teens who pile into a car with the radio blaring and get distracted, like people who go for a day hike and don’t pack extra layers/water in case. They don’t deserve bad things, but it’s naive to think actions don’t have consequences.

I can’t believe you’re equating dangerous driving with being raped and killed. The ONLY person who is responsible for her choice in this situation is the rapist and murderer. If she passed out and got a fatal head wound, you would have a point. The problem was that the guy she met was a rapist and a murderer.

She could have been drugged. Stop victim blaming.


It’s moot at this point because we will never know what really happened. But if you want to avoid being a victim of violent crime, not getting blackout drunk, not leaving bars with strangers, not keeping a gun in a house with kids, or not having one in your house at all, not using drugs, and not flipping off angry drivers are sensible precautions.

Are you saying that after this incident, you wouldn’t tell your teenage daughter - hey, next time you are on a tropical island, don’t over drink and leave the bar with a stranger? If so, you are victim blaming. I am from mountain brook, the home of the victim, so I know the agony that the community has gone through. Believe me, all the mtn brook moms tell their daughters about Holloway as a cautionary tale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:exactly. it is NOT victim blaming to point out that getting drunk has risks.

It is, actually. That is the definition of victim blaming.

What’s wrong with victim blaming? Are you telling your teenage daughters that it’s perfectly fine to go get drunk at the age of 18 and leave a bar with a strange guy? People who die while drunk driving, people who don’t wear helmets while riding a bike, people who go on hikes in the desert without enough water - it’s a tragedy when some of them die, but acknowledging that they were being reckless is how we learn not to make the same mistakes ourselves.

Legal drinking again Aruba is 18. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have a drink. Yes it absolutely ok for her to have sex. What's NOT OK is the guy killing her.

Of course it’s not ok for him to kill her. But saying that everything is fine as long as it’s legal is an inane argument. It’s legal to do a lot of risky behaviors. It’s legal to buy a gun and sleep with it loaded under your pillow, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it. It’s legal to go out for a midnight jog along the street wearing all black, but most of us wouldn’t recommend it.

She absolutely didn’t deserve to be killed, but if the witnesses were correct about how drunk she was, then her choices endangered her. Just like teens who pile into a car with the radio blaring and get distracted, like people who go for a day hike and don’t pack extra layers/water in case. They don’t deserve bad things, but it’s naive to think actions don’t have consequences.

I can’t believe you’re equating dangerous driving with being raped and killed. The ONLY person who is responsible for her choice in this situation is the rapist and murderer. If she passed out and got a fatal head wound, you would have a point. The problem was that the guy she met was a rapist and a murderer.

She could have been drugged. Stop victim blaming.


It’s moot at this point because we will never know what really happened. But if you want to avoid being a victim of violent crime, not getting blackout drunk, not leaving bars with strangers, not keeping a gun in a house with kids, or not having one in your house at all, not using drugs, and not flipping off angry drivers are sensible precautions.

Are you saying that after this incident, you wouldn’t tell your teenage daughter - hey, next time you are on a tropical island, don’t over drink and leave the bar with a stranger? If so, you are victim blaming. I am from mountain brook, the home of the victim, so I know the agony that the community has gone through. Believe me, all the mtn brook moms tell their daughters about Holloway as a cautionary tale.

You’re still victim blaming. She didn’t fall and get hurt. The problem was a homicidal man who didn’t like being rejected who has now killed two women. He is the problem. Drunk women who leave a bar with a nice guy who isn’t a rapist and murderer get a ride home or a couch to sleep on.

I used to live in the area too. Girls still drink too much and go in those island trips their senior year.