Let's have the abortion talk here. Right here. This thread.

[Anonymous]

To the person who said that no one is pro-abortion - I am. I think there should be more abortions. There are too many 16-year-old girls out there throwing their lives away for a mistake. Everyone tells them that they will go to hell if they don't keep the baby, but no one helps them after the baby is born.

[Anonymous]

if abortion was the only problem with the 16 yo pregnant women... what about stis? the doctors should remove all their sexual organs with the fetus.

[Anonymous]

More stories about how things can go terribly, terribly wrong enough to necessitate late term abortions, which account for [/b]only one fifth of one percent[b] of all abortions in the U.S.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/01/patients-remember-dr-tiller/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I delivered a baby at 22 weeks that was about as developed as photoshop mongerer posted. Both of your pictures look highly shopped. Not sure the percentages, but I'd guess 75% of abortions are first trimester which look nothing like what you're selling.

at 8 weeks you can see limbs well developed and at 7 weeks you can hear a heartbeat.
at 6 weeks they can feel pain.

How does it feel to be sucked out until your body is in pieces? I wonder how bad it hurts...

[Anonymous]

at 6 weeks they can feel pain

source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

at 6 weeks they can feel pain

source?

Tortora, Gerard J., and Bryan H. Derrickson. Principles of Anatomy and Physiology. New York: Wiley, 2008.
this is MLA, let me know if you prefer APA.

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[Anonymous]

What's your point? This is the same, inflammatory tactic the "pro-life" people use all the time. The gruesome photos. The emotional blackmail . . .

How about a DISCUSSION to which you contribute rather than this type of thing. Those who are pro-choice have largely considered this aspect of abortion.

[Anonymous]

When I had my 1st trimester abortion, I looked. I asked to see what had been taken out of me. I saw what appeared to be a yolk sack, some blood, some tissue. The entire mass was about the size of an almond in the shell, maybe a bit smaller. I did not see anything whatsoever that resembled an embryo or fetus like the pictures, though I looked closely, and was expecting to maybe.

[Anonymous]

Organogenesis is taking place in the first trimester. No cortical development at six weeks. No brain, no pain.

The actual scientific studies vary between 22 and 26 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I had my 1st trimester abortion, I looked. I asked to see what had been taken out of me. I saw what appeared to be a yolk sack, some blood, some tissue. The entire mass was about the size of an almond in the shell, maybe a bit smaller. I did not see anything whatsoever that resembled an embryo or fetus like the pictures, though I looked closely, and was expecting to maybe.

How old was the almond-sized mass?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Organogenesis is taking place in the first trimester. No cortical development at six weeks. No brain, no pain.

The actual scientific studies vary between 22 and 26 weeks.

source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of those basic rights is the right to make our own decisions as long as they do not infringe upon the rights and well-being of others. Before anyone says abortion is an infringement on the right of the fetus, the scientific fact is that fetuses grow within the wombs of grown women (at least in most cases) and the rights of that grown person over the governing of HER OWN BODY truly supercedes the rights of anyone else trying to impose their own beliefs on her..... Why is it that in America, of all places, there are still so many people that feel the burning need to tell other's what to do in regards to personal private decisions that have nothing to do with them in the first place?

I think you raise a valid question in your last sentence here, but I believe that you allude to the answer earlier in your post (first sentence in the quote above). The pro-life perspective is a belief that the woman's choice does indeed infringe upon the rights and well-being of another -- the unborn child/fetus. And those who are vocal in advocating that stance do so in the stead of those unborn who cannot advocate for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Organogenesis is taking place in the first trimester. No cortical development at six weeks. No brain, no pain.

The actual scientific studies vary between 22 and 26 weeks.

source?

2005 UCSF study:

With Roe v. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court gave states the right to legislate abortion restrictions during a woman's second trimester. Many states enacted laws that make it more difficult to terminate a pregnancy. Among them, Arkansas, Minnesota, and Georgia require physicians to tell women that 20-week-old fetuses can feel pain during the procedure unless they are anesthetized. A newly released review of the scientific evidence, however, suggests the premise of those laws is wrong.

Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, says Mark Rosen, an obstetrical anesthesiologist at the University of California at San Francisco. He and his colleagues determined that until the third trimester, "the wiring at the point where you feel pain, such as the skin, doesn't reach the emotional part where you feel pain, in the brain." Although fetuses start forming pain receptors eight weeks into development, the thalamus, the part of the brain that routes information to other areas, doesn't form for 20 more weeks. Without the thalamus, Rosen says, no information can reach the cortex for processing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Organogenesis is taking place in the first trimester. No cortical development at six weeks. No brain, no pain.

The actual scientific studies vary between 22 and 26 weeks.

source?

2005 UCSF study:

With Roe v. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court gave states the right to legislate abortion restrictions during a woman's second trimester. Many states enacted laws that make it more difficult to terminate a pregnancy. Among them, Arkansas, Minnesota, and Georgia require physicians to tell women that 20-week-old fetuses can feel pain during the procedure unless they are anesthetized. A newly released review of the scientific evidence, however, suggests the premise of those laws is wrong.

Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, says Mark Rosen, an obstetrical anesthesiologist at the University of California at San Francisco. He and his colleagues determined that until the third trimester, "the wiring at the point where you feel pain, such as the skin, doesn't reach the emotional part where you feel pain, in the brain." Although fetuses start forming pain receptors eight weeks into development, the thalamus, the part of the brain that routes information to other areas, doesn't form for 20 more weeks. Without the thalamus, Rosen says, no information can reach the cortex for processing.

This is the same study I read when I was researching. My OB agreed that this is more likely than 6-8 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Organogenesis is taking place in the first trimester. No cortical development at six weeks. No brain, no pain.

The actual scientific studies vary between 22 and 26 weeks.

source?

2005 UCSF study:

With Roe v. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court gave states the right to legislate abortion restrictions during a woman's second trimester. Many states enacted laws that make it more difficult to terminate a pregnancy. Among them, Arkansas, Minnesota, and Georgia require physicians to tell women that 20-week-old fetuses can feel pain during the procedure unless they are anesthetized. A newly released review of the scientific evidence, however, suggests the premise of those laws is wrong.

Fetuses cannot feel pain until at least the 28th week of gestation because they haven't formed the necessary nerve pathways, says Mark Rosen, an obstetrical anesthesiologist at the University of California at San Francisco. He and his colleagues determined that until the third trimester, "the wiring at the point where you feel pain, such as the skin, doesn't reach the emotional part where you feel pain, in the brain." Although fetuses start forming pain receptors eight weeks into development, the thalamus, the part of the brain that routes information to other areas, doesn't form for 20 more weeks. Without the thalamus, Rosen says, no information can reach the cortex for processing.

This is the same study I read when I was researching. My OB agreed that this is more likely than 6-8 weeks.

Both sides are still based in STUDIES. There's no absolute truth yet.

Doctors say that people under coma cannot feel pain and my friend wrote a book about his experience feeling EVERYTHING the doctors did to him while he was in a coma.

I prefer to assume that these babies can feel pain.

Anyone has the link to the study done on the movements of the fetus during the abortion? moving away from the needle, moving away from the vacuum cleaner???
What about "partial birth" abortion? do you know how it's done????????

People are dedicating their lives to protect animals from human cruelty... what about this innocent, incapable babies?