David Bowie RIP

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares that he had sex with 14 and 15 year old girls, because...hey, the music was good.

But, if lets say, he was plumber or a teacher, you would care a fuck whole lot that a 30 year old man was having sex with young girls.

But rock on.

This is the first I've heard of any of that. To my knowledge Bowie was a happily married man. Iman is a grown woman and so is Bowie's former wife. Is it possible that Bowie (unknowingly or unthinkingly in the moment) had sex with an underage groupie when he was a young man? Yeah, probably. Do I think that he was a pervert who actually sought out children to have sex with - no.

This. It's a part of celebrity culture, and, in this instance, the groupie culture of the 1970s. It's what "Almost Famous" is about. Not excusing this gross behavior, just asserting that it doesn't mean that David Bowie was a child predator.

Here's an article that takes this position: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/13/the-trolls-who-target-dead-celebrities.html

Tl;dr: Yes, this happened, and by our standards, it's appalling. But why bring it up less than 24 hours after his death when people are mourning, and it should be discussed as a consequence of its time and culture.

Actually, I've always dislike him. But I work with pedophiles and think anyone who has sex with a 14 year old girl is repulsive. Plumber, teacher or rock star. I bring it up when ever he is mentioned. It's just - with everyone blowing themselves to be the biggest DB fan this week, it was worth mentioning. No one mentioned him last week, so his child rape habits didn't seem to need mentioning.

As for "not knowing" anyone who has a 14 year old girl or been a 14 year old girl or seen a 14 year old girl knows that is false.

[Anonymous]

Oh, and for our culture? If you have a daughter - please send her round. I have a few people I could introduce her too if you are so ok with with 14 year olds sleeping with grown men.

[Anonymous]

Who allows their 14 year old kid to hang out partying backstage with rock stars and their crew? This particular girl that slept with Bowie also happened to sleep with other rock stars....how exactly does that happen?

The girl was not acting 14 or looking 14 or engaged in typical 14 year old activities. Where the hell were her parents? Don't get me wrong, I think that it is awful that this all happened. My own kids are around her age and I just can't for the life of me imagine them ever being in a situation like that - and multiple times, on different occasions, with different rock stars. Crazy, crazy situation.

[Anonymous]

Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

"The massive hole in music left by Bowie is matched only by the loss to the charity world..."

https://www.looktothestars.org/news/14721-david-bowies-charity-legacy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares that he had sex with 14 and 15 year old girls, because...hey, the music was good.

But, if lets say, he was plumber or a teacher, you would care a fuck whole lot that a 30 year old man was having sex with young girls.

But rock on.

This is the first I've heard of any of that. To my knowledge Bowie was a happily married man. Iman is a grown woman and so is Bowie's former wife. Is it possible that Bowie (unknowingly or unthinkingly in the moment) had sex with an underage groupie when he was a young man? Yeah, probably. Do I think that he was a pervert who actually sought out children to have sex with - no.

This. It's a part of celebrity culture, and, in this instance, the groupie culture of the 1970s. It's what "Almost Famous" is about. Not excusing this gross behavior, just asserting that it doesn't mean that David Bowie was a child predator.

Here's an article that takes this position: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/13/the-trolls-who-target-dead-celebrities.html

Tl;dr: Yes, this happened, and by our standards, it's appalling. But why bring it up less than 24 hours after his death when people are mourning, and it should be discussed as a consequence of its time and culture.

Actually, I've always dislike him. But I work with pedophiles and think anyone who has sex with a 14 year old girl is repulsive. Plumber, teacher or rock star. I bring it up when ever he is mentioned. It's just - with everyone blowing themselves to be the biggest DB fan this week, it was worth mentioning. No one mentioned him last week, so his child rape habits didn't seem to need mentioning.

As for "not knowing" anyone who has a 14 year old girl or been a 14 year old girl or seen a 14 year old girl knows that is false.

Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

Do you always make such bold and erroneous statements without doing any research?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If that's all he did, that's more than what 80-90% of the population has done, or will do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares that he had sex with 14 and 15 year old girls, because...hey, the music was good.

But, if lets say, he was plumber or a teacher, you would care a fuck whole lot that a 30 year old man was having sex with young girls.

But rock on.

This is the first I've heard of any of that. To my knowledge Bowie was a happily married man. Iman is a grown woman and so is Bowie's former wife. Is it possible that Bowie (unknowingly or unthinkingly in the moment) had sex with an underage groupie when he was a young man? Yeah, probably. Do I think that he was a pervert who actually sought out children to have sex with - no.

This. It's a part of celebrity culture, and, in this instance, the groupie culture of the 1970s. It's what "Almost Famous" is about. Not excusing this gross behavior, just asserting that it doesn't mean that David Bowie was a child predator.

He's no Roman Polanski. Nothing suggests he went looking for underage partners or preferred them to over 18s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

You're mistaken, I'm a huge fan of his music, just always turned off by hero worship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

You're mistaken, I'm a huge fan of his music, just always turned off by hero worship.

Also totally fine! But no one should take someone's death as an opportunity to knock down his or her fans.

[Anonymous]

Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?