David Bowie RIP

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Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

I heard about Jimmy Page's 4+ year affair with a 14 year old, where were her parents? She lived with him and never left the house until she was 18 so he wouldn't be charged with statutory rape. WTF!!!!

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

If my 14 year old lied to me and said she/he was going to a movie but wound up at a college party where she willfully hooked up with a 20 year old guy and lied to him about her age and they wind up having sex....who is at fault? Who is blameless?

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

If my 14 year old lied to me and said she/he was going to a movie but wound up at a college party where she willfully hooked up with a 20 year old guy and lied to him about her age and they wind up having sex....who is at fault? Who is blameless?

We have statutory rape laws to cover exactly this type of situation. 14 year olds do not have good judgement because they are... 14. There are big differences between a 14 year old and a 16 year old or 18 year old. That is why our society chooses to protect 14 year olds though laws.

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I watched/listened to the Little Drummer Boy melody he did with Bing Crosby this morning. His beautiful voice went right through me. He was an amazing artist.

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Did he do anything charitable during his life? Just curious. I read that he left a huge estate for his family (near $200 million...is that correct?).

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

If my 14 year old lied to me and said she/he was going to a movie but wound up at a college party where she willfully hooked up with a 20 year old guy and lied to him about her age and they wind up having sex....who is at fault? Who is blameless?

We have statutory rape laws to cover exactly this type of situation. 14 year olds do not have good judgement because they are... 14. There are big differences between a 14 year old and a 16 year old or 18 year old. That is why our society chooses to protect 14 year olds though laws.

You are talking about The Law. I was talking about *morally* who is at fault, who is blameless in that scenario?

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Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

You're mistaken, I'm a huge fan of his music, just always turned off by hero worship.

Also totally fine! But no one should take someone's death as an opportunity to knock down his or her fans.

You are so right. You know whose music I really like? charles Manson. Have you heard him play? Haunting. Beautiful voice...

Also, there used to be this amazing artist at a prison I worked out who painted these water colors that were so moving. Never mind that he killed his wife and her best friend. The ART...they were artists. Am I right?

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

If my 14 year old lied to me and said she/he was going to a movie but wound up at a college party where she willfully hooked up with a 20 year old guy and lied to him about her age and they wind up having sex....who is at fault? Who is blameless?

We have statutory rape laws to cover exactly this type of situation. 14 year olds do not have good judgement because they are... 14. There are big differences between a 14 year old and a 16 year old or 18 year old. That is why our society chooses to protect 14 year olds though laws.

You are talking about The Law. I was talking about *morally* who is at fault, who is blameless in that scenario?

Yeah right. I mean, she totally asked for it right??

I hope you read what happened to her later in life. You are a pretty repulsive person to think child rape is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

You're mistaken, I'm a huge fan of his music, just always turned off by hero worship.

Also totally fine! But no one should take someone's death as an opportunity to knock down his or her fans.

You are so right. You know whose music I really like? charles Manson. Have you heard him play? Haunting. Beautiful voice...

Also, there used to be this amazing artist at a prison I worked out who painted these water colors that were so moving. Never mind that he killed his wife and her best friend. The ART...they were artists. Am I right?

You are putting Bowie in the same league as Manson and prisoners? Really? WTH pp? Bowie was not a horrible person. He did a lot of right in this world especially through his music. I think you just need to give credit where credit is due. He obviously was well loved and much appreciated by his countless fans. RIP.

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Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

What does that even mean? Sounds mental. He was not a friend. He wrote songs. They listened. He didn't support them. Get a hold of yourself.

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

If my 14 year old lied to me and said she/he was going to a movie but wound up at a college party where she willfully hooked up with a 20 year old guy and lied to him about her age and they wind up having sex....who is at fault? Who is blameless?

We have statutory rape laws to cover exactly this type of situation. 14 year olds do not have good judgement because they are... 14. There are big differences between a 14 year old and a 16 year old or 18 year old. That is why our society chooses to protect 14 year olds though laws.

You are talking about The Law. I was talking about *morally* who is at fault, who is blameless in that scenario?

Yeah right. I mean, she totally asked for it right??

I hope you read what happened to her later in life. You are a pretty repulsive person to think child rape is ok.

I was talking about a hypothetical example with simple "facts" not that particular situation with Bowie and the girl because I do not know enough specifics about what (if anything) actually happened. No - I do not think that child rape is ever o.k. But I also can see where a troubled teen might be able to mislead someone into thinking that they are older than they are. If a 20 year old guy thinks he is fooling around with a 19 year old girl because the girl has lied to him...to me that is a gray area.

If a 14 year old shows a really good fake ID to a store clerk and the clerk sells the kid beer...who is at fault and who is blameless?

If a 14 year old kid sneaks into a strip club and watches nude dancers...who is at fault and who is blameless?

You see where I am going with this. If a reasonable person would think that the kid is an adult and the kid actually misleads people into thinking that he/she is an adult...and the kid did the misleading to get a particular result (sex, alcohol, whatever)...I have a hard time seeing that kid as an innocent victim.

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

If my 14 year old lied to me and said she/he was going to a movie but wound up at a college party where she willfully hooked up with a 20 year old guy and lied to him about her age and they wind up having sex....who is at fault? Who is blameless?

We have statutory rape laws to cover exactly this type of situation. 14 year olds do not have good judgement because they are... 14. There are big differences between a 14 year old and a 16 year old or 18 year old. That is why our society chooses to protect 14 year olds though laws.

You are talking about The Law. I was talking about *morally* who is at fault, who is blameless in that scenario?

Yeah right. I mean, she totally asked for it right??

I hope you read what happened to her later in life. You are a pretty repulsive person to think child rape is ok.

I was talking about a hypothetical example with simple "facts" not that particular situation with Bowie and the girl because I do not know enough specifics about what (if anything) actually happened. No - I do not think that child rape is ever o.k. But I also can see where a troubled teen might be able to mislead someone into thinking that they are older than they are. If a 20 year old guy thinks he is fooling around with a 19 year old girl because the girl has lied to him...to me that is a gray area.

If a 14 year old shows a really good fake ID to a store clerk and the clerk sells the kid beer...who is at fault and who is blameless?

If a 14 year old kid sneaks into a strip club and watches nude dancers...who is at fault and who is blameless?

You see where I am going with this. If a reasonable person would think that the kid is an adult and the kid actually misleads people into thinking that he/she is an adult...and the kid did the misleading to get a particular result (sex, alcohol, whatever)...I have a hard time seeing that kid as an innocent victim.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/david-bowie-and-the-15-year-old-girls-7962946
DAVID BOWIE AND THE 15-YEAR-OLD GIRLS

Maddox has repeatedly said in interviews that she met Bowie as a young teen and he asked her up to his hotel room. She was 14, and Bowie was in his mid-20s. Afraid, she declined. But five months later Bowie again propositioned her, and she and Starr went to his room.

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Anonymous wrote:Add Jimmy Page to the list of statutory rapists on yesterday. He actually should have been charged with imprisonment.

What I honestly don't get after reading all this adulation is why Bowie never put his massive popularity to good.

I wonder how Bob Geldof or Bono secretly feel, having devoted much of the entire adult lives and careers to causes of charity.

People are so shallow, the man literally monetized his own works of art and made millions on Wall Street thanks to it, did he ever give back?

I struggle to think what, if anything he did for the common man, but hope someone will prove me wrong that he spoke up for the people of Darfur at least.

David Bowie was an active participant in raising and/or donating funds for 21st Century Leaders, Every Mother Counts, Food Bank For New York City, Keep A Child Alive, Mines Advisory Group, Save the Children, The Lunchbox Fund, War Child, and Whatever It Takes. Additionally, his positive influence on people--particularly young people--who are gay/queer/trans*/otherwise "different" has been immense.

Looks to me like he wrote checks. He really never embraced the bicurious community, I don't know why he's getting credit for it now.

If your question was "did he give back?' the answer is "yes, he did." He performed publicly at events for many different grops (including Live Aid and Keep a Child Alive). And if my Facebook feed, full of traditionally "othered" people, matters, they felt embraced by him. He's not just getting "credit" from them now; they've always been vocal about his influence on their lives and their feelings of acceptance and not being alone.

It's totally fine if you didn't like his music, or like him as a person. But to speak against him while people are mourning is just tacky. (I'm a fan, but not "in mourning." Friends of mine, who have felt supported by his music and persona are hurting. I can't imagine not letting them have this period of positive conversation and community.)

What does that even mean? Sounds mental. He was not a friend. He wrote songs. They listened. He didn't support them. Get a hold of yourself.

PP, it's awesome that you haven't felt marginalized, not knowing anyone who looked or felt like you. I'm fortunate to have been in the same boat. But for many of my LGBTQI friends, some of whom grew up in very conservative Midwestern homes, David Bowie was the one person who showed them that it was ok to be/look/feel different from other people. No, he didn't personally support them, but just having a role model, someone to show you that it will be ok, is so important.

Here are some pieces that have gone up in the last couple of days, that offer this point of view. I hope you can find some empathy.

http://m.mic.com/articles/132265/here-s-how-david-bowie-influenced-queer-culture-and-helped-us-be-ok-with-who-we-are#.XFnAR6hw2
http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/lgbt-people-reveal-why-bowie-is-so-important#.yk4l1DZ8D
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/01/100983/david-bowie-gender-sexuality-hero#.fqafjkm:Za3A
http://www.out.com/music/2016/1/11/david-bowie-obituary

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Puhleeze, have you seen some of these 14-year old girls dressed up or down depending on how you look at it. They have more bust and backside than I ever had at that age and they show most of it to anybody who dares to look. No, they do not look 14 but 25. And yes, I was once a 14 year old girl, but I never hung out in the backstage concert rooms. Nor was I a groupie trying to find out how many rockers I could sleep with. This was the 70's and Bowie would have been what a youngish 20-something. He probably thought (if it happened as Bowie never confirmed and there were no cellphone cameras) she was a consenting 18+ year old.

So, in general, a 14 year old girl whose body matures earlier than other girls her age and has parents who don't look out for her deserves whatever happens to her?

The 14 year old who looks like an adult and wants to have sex with a rock-star, will not tell the rock-star that she is underage. Most people do not ask to see the driver's license of an adult looking woman, before they have sex. Also, who is to say that the teen did not have a fake ID?

If you blame DB for being immoral and having sex outside of marriage, then maybe you are right. However, in this instance, he was actually duped and used for sex by a very disturbed teen. He should have sued her and her parents.

- Mom of a teen DD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did he do anything charitable during his life? Just curious. I read that he left a huge estate for his family (near $200 million...is that correct?).

Um, read the page before this one in this very thread and you will find the information you seek.