UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

I would be embarrassed to say that my child was in a fraternity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'll definitely teach my kids to call the police AND me if something bad ever happens to them or their friends.

Clearly you don't have teenagers, but apparently you don't remember being a teen either. What we teach our kids is not always what they learn. Do you think Hannah Graham's parents didn't teach her not to walk around alone at night? Do you think her friends' parents didn't teach them to call for help if their friend texts them to say she's lost at 1 am? Do you think this Rolling Stone girl's parents encouraged her to go to upperclassmen's rooms at drunken frat parties? And her friends' parents told then not to report crimes if they'll look uncool?

Sadly, you can teach teenagers until you are blue in the face to do the right thing but if they are drunk then all clear thinking goes out the window. Alcohol is a drug that effects the mind and people do stupid horrible things when they are drunk. The safest student on a college campus is a sober one.

[Anonymous]

Time for those boys to lawyer up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It just takes one sociopath in a position of power over a bunch of insecure lemmings to pull off such a crime. So a frat is the perfect breeding ground for this.

And the devil's drink- booze!

[Anonymous]

If you can believe that 7 men are capable of laying a horrific trap for a girl, why can't you also believe that a woman could possibly lie about rape? DCUM's seem way too willing to buy into the mentality that men are dicks and women are saints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'll definitely teach my kids to call the police AND me if something bad ever happens to them or their friends.

Clearly you don't have teenagers, but apparently you don't remember being a teen either. What we teach our kids is not always what they learn. Do you think Hannah Graham's parents didn't teach her not to walk around alone at night? Do you think her friends' parents didn't teach them to call for help if their friend texts them to say she's lost at 1 am? Do you think this Rolling Stone girl's parents encouraged her to go to upperclassmen's rooms at drunken frat parties? And her friends' parents told then not to report crimes if they'll look uncool?

Sadly, you can teach teenagers until you are blue in the face to do the right thing but if they are drunk then all clear thinking goes out the window. Alcohol is a drug that effects the mind and people do stupid horrible things when they are drunk. The safest student on a college campus is a sober one.

I thought the victim in the RS article was sober.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still find this hard to believe. I definitely think date-rape or he-said/she-said sexual assaults happen ALL the time on college campuses, which has more to do with how we communicate and how we abuse alcohol and how we raise our sons, but for 7 super over achievers to violently gang rape a student just is hard to believe.

Until you are the one under them, collectively pounding away at you. Horrifying, but not hard to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After the lacrosse bludgeoning murder of a coed in her dorm room, the abduction/murders in rediculously high violent crime rate Charlottesville and the UVA tradition of blind drunk goofball preppy dressing mixed with sexual violence and bullying a pattern has been established. This disturbing atmosphere explains the shocking lack of notable / influential UVA alumni. UVA appears to be treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and delusionary fantasies of intellect. There are a lot of "Ted Knight in Caddyshack" goofballs terrified about prison right now.

Nailed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After the lacrosse bludgeoning murder of a coed in her dorm room, the abduction/murders in rediculously high violent crime rate Charlottesville and the UVA tradition of blind drunk goofball preppy dressing mixed with sexual violence and bullying a pattern has been established. This disturbing atmosphere explains the shocking lack of notable / influential UVA alumni. UVA appears to be treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and delusionary fantasies of intellect. There are a lot of "Ted Knight in Caddyshack" goofballs terrified about prison right now.

Nailed it.

Go away umd dude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you can believe that 7 men are capable of laying a horrific trap for a girl, why can't you also believe that a woman could possibly lie about rape? DCUM's seem way too willing to buy into the mentality that men are dicks and women are saints.

Or you could have read the part where I said false accusations do occur. And you could read what people who have studied rape say: that underreporting is a vastly larger problem than false reports. But you DCUMs - and you're on here, so you count - seem convinced that women cry rape (frequently! all the time!) because it's so gosh darn exciting to have your entire life put under a microscope.

[Anonymous]

Because criminal prosecutions drag on for a long time and you face an uphill battle when your entire history is raked over the coals. What were you wearing? Were you drinking? Have you ever flirted with a man? Basically, we know you did something to deserve this, so let's pinpoint how exactly you asked for it. Are your attackers wealthy? B/C their attorney is going to destroy you and make you wish you pretended this never happened. You have no idea what it's like to be far from home, making new friends, and relying on a shaky support network when something like this happens. You have no idea how an attack, a violation of this magnitude just utterly destroys you from the inside out. How you blame yourself for something as simple as going to a party or straightening your hair or wearing an outfit that was flattering. You aren't thinking clearly and when the first people you come in contact with talk about how your fragile little world is going to be further destroyed and your reputation ruined, you aren't exactly running to the local police station to sign up for more devastation and the prospect of facing potential threats from the people who already killed a huge part of you -- your safety, your security, your faith in people. Then, when you're brave enough to report to the school, you're met with phony support and gentle urging not to push charges b/c "it's so hard to prove" but maybe you should consider pursuing this lesser avenue through the university to "make the bad guys pay." Only then, the administration holds all the cards and nothing really happens to the animals b/c for the administration, it's all about protecting the school reputation and the almighty dollar. Does that help you understand a little bit better? You have absolutely no idea what kind of inner turmoil, self-doubt, and overwhelming fear is triggered by this kind of attack, particularly when you likely have to face your attackers and their friends on campus and fear harassment and retaliation around every corner.

+ 10000. Also you have 7 sets of parents who will do ANYTHING to keep their dear sons out of jail or any mess. George Hugeley -- they all have parents just like his.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still find this hard to believe. I definitely think date-rape or he-said/she-said sexual assaults happen ALL the time on college campuses, which has more to do with how we communicate and how we abuse alcohol and how we raise our sons, but for 7 super over achievers to violently gang rape a student just is hard to believe.

And THIS is why some people never come forward.

Also, it really doesn't matter that you can't believe it. You should thank your lucky stars that you can't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still find this hard to believe. I definitely think date-rape or he-said/she-said sexual assaults happen ALL the time on college campuses, which has more to do with how we communicate and how we abuse alcohol and how we raise our sons, but for 7 super over achievers to violently gang rape a student just is hard to believe.

Until you are the one under them, collectively pounding away at you. Horrifying, but not hard to believe.

OP here: I absolutely believe it if it was part of a fraternity pledging activity as the article implies. We can at least hope that the boys participated with some trepidation, but they were likely told their brotherhood and thus social standing depended on it. That's why the fraternity scene needs serious overhaul and regulation if it is to exist at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still find this hard to believe. I definitely think date-rape or he-said/she-said sexual assaults happen ALL the time on college campuses, which has more to do with how we communicate and how we abuse alcohol and how we raise our sons, but for 7 super over achievers to violently gang rape a student just is hard to believe.

Until you are the one under them, collectively pounding away at you. Horrifying, but not hard to believe.

OP here: I absolutely believe it if it was part of a fraternity pledging activity as the article implies. We can at least hope that the boys participated with some trepidation, but they were likely told their brotherhood and thus social standing depended on it. That's why the fraternity scene needs serious overhaul and regulation if it is to exist at all.

Whoops, sorry! I am not OP of this thread but the other one on this article. Momentary confusion

[Anonymous]

Did you check out the look on the older guys face? He raped a girl and wrote a letter 20 years later saying Im sorry -- she turned it over to the police (it's in the article) He looked like he STILL did not get the severity of his actions.