“Radical Left” is not a thing - MAGA has been duped

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Anonymous wrote:There will be shame bestowed on people who spewed hate and called people radical for wanting human rights and dignity for people other than white Christian straight men.

Here’s where the left loses me:

You want human rights and dignity for all people except for the ones in the womb.

And I say this as someone who won’t belong to either party. I don’t see how you get to claim the moral high ground.

I don't get how "pro lifers" get to claim any moral high ground. They demand every pregnancy be carried to term, even unviable fetuses, even children that were raped, even pregnancies that would cause the mother to die if carried to term, and the moment the child is born they completely turn their backs on them, they don't care if the baby goes without healthcare, without food, if the kid gets shot to death in their school, etc. "Pro life" is the biggest political hypocrisy ever.

New poster. I’m pro-life. Being pro-life means opposition to abortion. I’m opposed to abortion because abortion is a procedure that is designed to and does deliberately kill human life.

Are there edge cases where the rationale for an abortion looks more understandable? Sure. But that’s true in any policy judgment, and abortion is pretty much only the topic of conversation where its defenders act like that’s some deep insight. You can rightly say that America has too many guns or a gun violence problem, but no one would deny that there are marginal cases where a gun has been a useful tool to stop something bad. To take another example, there are people who violate a penal statute who get no punishment because they have a legally recognized excuse or justification. To take a third example, there are people who use distributionally unjust tax cuts to start a valuable business. Those situations are not some sort of “gotcha” that flips the terms of the debate; they’re just the reality that, in a huge country, you can usually find an anecdote that, if universalized, would support your policy preferences.

In general, the core point of dispute on abortion is whether it’s good or bad. The pro-choice side feels more uncomfortable calling it “good” than the pro-life side feels calling it “bad.” That is because it is mostly bad.

I'm the person you want an argument with. I'm pro abortion. I'm pro abortion because I think women control their own bodies and there is no punitive way to change that. In a functioning society this should be handled quietly and privately and should be none of my business. This has been the situation for millennia, the abortion witch hunt is a new phenomenon. Of course, in a modern society, this should be handled quietly as basic medical care.

Since we insist on a public stance, I am also pro abortion because If someone says they don't want to parent (no matter how their actions may have contributed to pregnancy) I don't want to use that person as an incubator. I've raised kids, bad things happen when you force a young adult to do something. I've born children, just staying healthy for nine months takes commitment. Caring for a kid after the cute stage takes more commitment. Children who loose a mother have measurably worse outcomes. We can't measure what happens when children are born into resentment, but it happens, and there is no one there to help that child. The opposite. Even if the mother makes a full commitment to parent, as soon as the child is born she will be punished and mocked for having this mouth to feed.

If you want to be moral help the children who are already here.

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What a misinformed and ridiculous statement.

April 2021, unvaccinated/unmasked Covid death rate among Republican voters was 43% to 76% higher than among Democratic voters.

Ohio and Florida cross-referenced voter registration with death records. Republican voters experienced substantially higher mortality than Democrats.

Shutting down schools was determined by states. They determined safety protocols for their schools. Parents had final say of their own children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

If you didn’t love your kids enough to keep them reading during a pandemic that killed several people I know of, including a physician and a grandmother who contracted it IN the hospital, that’s your own sin.

Grownups do not point back to 2020 and say that ruined them. That’s what a child would do. If you got a divorce or a demotion or a child of yours is no longer close to you, you most certainly had a hand in it. Enough.

Maybe they refused the covid vaccine and got fired from a job. That could cause all sorts of cascading problems for people. Have we forgotten that event already?

Employers could make their own decisions regarding the vaccine requirements. There was no law requiring it for the general public. The federal government only required it for their own employees.

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

If you didn’t love your kids enough to keep them reading during a pandemic that killed several people I know of, including a physician and a grandmother who contracted it IN the hospital, that’s your own sin.

Grownups do not point back to 2020 and say that ruined them. That’s what a child would do. If you got a divorce or a demotion or a child of yours is no longer close to you, you most certainly had a hand in it. Enough.

Maybe they refused the covid vaccine and got fired from a job. That could cause all sorts of cascading problems for people. Have we forgotten that event already?

Employers could make their own decisions regarding the vaccine requirements. There was no law requiring it for the general public. The federal government only required it for their own employees.

Only because the Supreme Court stopped the Biden Administration: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/11/05/2021-23643/covid-19-vaccination-and-testing-emergency-temporary-standard

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What a misinformed and ridiculous statement.

April 2021, unvaccinated/unmasked Covid death rate among Republican voters was 43% to 76% higher than among Democratic voters.

Ohio and Florida cross-referenced voter registration with death records. Republican voters experienced substantially higher mortality than Democrats.

Shutting down schools was determined by states. They determined safety protocols for their schools. Parents had final say of their own children.

Which is why the anti-vaxxers should continue to anti-vaxx. Natural Selection weeds out the weak (minded.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be shame bestowed on people who spewed hate and called people radical for wanting human rights and dignity for people other than white Christian straight men.

Here’s where the left loses me:

You want human rights and dignity for all people except for the ones in the womb.

And I say this as someone who won’t belong to either party. I don’t see how you get to claim the moral high ground.

A pre-independently viable fetus is NOT a baby anymore than a seed is a full-fledged plant or male masturbation is wasting God's sacred life-giving sperm.

Also, I probably live in the most liberal state in the union and my son's girlfriend didn't find out she was pregnant until she was 8-9 months along. She originally went to Planned Parenthood upon a positive test pretty much assuming she was only in the 1st trimester. She was not.

My Catholic MIL said something like "this baby is a gift from God and aren't you glad he wasn't aborted" .... yeah, that was never even in the cards from the professional care standpoint. A hospital delivered that baby 5 days after she thought termination was still on the menu. It wasn't, and it never was. You don't need to go to Planned Parenthood just to "get an abortion." It's really just the fastest way to get into gynecological care for women without a PCP or needing to go through insurance referrals. Time is off the essence, and it's respected by PP on either side of the timeline.

If you think God comes into the equation, I can assure you God definitely wasn't there when that baby was conceived.

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RWNJ posting here proving that “radical” left was and is propaganda to scare and control uneducated masses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What schools did democrats shut down for 2 years? My classroom shut down in March, ALONG WITH CLASSROOMS AROUND THE ENTIRE WORLD! Kids were back in the classroom in November, in a hybrid setting (which they actually loved). In January, we returned to all in-person. This was a pretty common sequence of events. What schools did democrats shut down for 2 years? Please be specific.

I’m in California. My child’s public school did not go back to quasi normal schooling with a teacher in a classroom until around spring of 2022, and back to normal schooling until fall 2023. Except at that point, kids were so far behind that it’s remedial, not normal.

Until that point, there was some variation of outright cancelled, remote “learning” by video, “teacher in a box” where they opened the classroom but propped a computer on the teachers’s desk (you can imagine how well that went), every other day attendance, etc.

The learning loss data is devastating. Many kids are functionally illiterate, far worse in the most vulnerable populations. California children read at worse levels than Mississippi children.

This is done by blue Democrats alone. They sacrificed the education of an entire generation to give more to an already bloated union.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What a misinformed and ridiculous statement.

April 2021, unvaccinated/unmasked Covid death rate among Republican voters was 43% to 76% higher than among Democratic voters.

Ohio and Florida cross-referenced voter registration with death records. Republican voters experienced substantially higher mortality than Democrats.

Shutting down schools was determined by states. They determined safety protocols for their schools. Parents had final say of their own children.

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You don’t have a good grasp of statistical analysis principles, do you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What a misinformed and ridiculous statement.

April 2021, unvaccinated/unmasked Covid death rate among Republican voters was 43% to 76% higher than among Democratic voters.

Ohio and Florida cross-referenced voter registration with death records. Republican voters experienced substantially higher mortality than Democrats.

Shutting down schools was determined by states. They determined safety protocols for their schools. Parents had final say of their own children.

Also, it wasn't arbitrary or capricious - contact tracing data showed that schools were one of the top places where COVID was being spread and early on there were numerous cases of teachers and school staff being among the hardest hit by death and incapacitation due to COVID. My cousin got COVID at her school and nearly died, ended up in a coma for several months, and needed an ECMO machine to oxygenate her blood because her lungs had zero function. And still to this day suffers from long covid issues. Ironically her husband was a MAGA covid conspiracy theorist and anti vaxxer. She filed for divorce as soon as she was well enough to do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There will be shame bestowed on people who spewed hate and called people radical for wanting human rights and dignity for people other than white Christian straight men.

Here’s where the left loses me:

You want human rights and dignity for all people except for the ones in the womb.

And I say this as someone who won’t belong to either party. I don’t see how you get to claim the moral high ground.

I don't get how "pro lifers" get to claim any moral high ground. They demand every pregnancy be carried to term, even unviable fetuses, even children that were raped, even pregnancies that would cause the mother to die if carried to term, and the moment the child is born they completely turn their backs on them, they don't care if the baby goes without healthcare, without food, if the kid gets shot to death in their school, etc. "Pro life" is the biggest political hypocrisy ever.

New poster. I’m pro-life. Being pro-life means opposition to abortion. I’m opposed to abortion because abortion is a procedure that is designed to and does deliberately kill human life.

Are there edge cases where the rationale for an abortion looks more understandable? Sure. But that’s true in any policy judgment, and abortion is pretty much only the topic of conversation where its defenders act like that’s some deep insight. You can rightly say that America has too many guns or a gun violence problem, but no one would deny that there are marginal cases where a gun has been a useful tool to stop something bad. To take another example, there are people who violate a penal statute who get no punishment because they have a legally recognized excuse or justification. To take a third example, there are people who use distributionally unjust tax cuts to start a valuable business. Those situations are not some sort of “gotcha” that flips the terms of the debate; they’re just the reality that, in a huge country, you can usually find an anecdote that, if universalized, would support your policy preferences.

In general, the core point of dispute on abortion is whether it’s good or bad. The pro-choice side feels more uncomfortable calling it “good” than the pro-life side feels calling it “bad.” That is because it is mostly bad.

I'm the person you want an argument with. I'm pro abortion. I'm pro abortion because I think women control their own bodies and there is no punitive way to change that. In a functioning society this should be handled quietly and privately and should be none of my business. This has been the situation for millennia, the abortion witch hunt is a new phenomenon. Of course, in a modern society, this should be handled quietly as basic medical care.

Since we insist on a public stance, I am also pro abortion because If someone says they don't want to parent (no matter how their actions may have contributed to pregnancy) I don't want to use that person as an incubator. I've raised kids, bad things happen when you force a young adult to do something. I've born children, just staying healthy for nine months takes commitment. Caring for a kid after the cute stage takes more commitment. Children who loose a mother have measurably worse outcomes. We can't measure what happens when children are born into resentment, but it happens, and there is no one there to help that child. The opposite. Even if the mother makes a full commitment to parent, as soon as the child is born she will be punished and mocked for having this mouth to feed.

If you want to be moral help the children who are already here.

In your view, should men be able to completely (financial, time commitments etc?) opt out of parenting after they have sex? Or does the act of having sex commit them to parenting even if they didn’t intend it?

I’m trying to understand how committed you are to this idea you don’t want someone to parent if they want to be a parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What a misinformed and ridiculous statement.

April 2021, unvaccinated/unmasked Covid death rate among Republican voters was 43% to 76% higher than among Democratic voters.

Ohio and Florida cross-referenced voter registration with death records. Republican voters experienced substantially higher mortality than Democrats.

Shutting down schools was determined by states. They determined safety protocols for their schools. Parents had final say of their own children.

Also, it wasn't arbitrary or capricious - contact tracing data showed that schools were one of the top places where COVID was being spread and early on there were numerous cases of teachers and school staff being among the hardest hit by death and incapacitation due to COVID. My cousin got COVID at her school and nearly died, ended up in a coma for several months, and needed an ECMO machine to oxygenate her blood because her lungs had zero function. And still to this day suffers from long covid issues. Ironically her husband was a MAGA covid conspiracy theorist and anti vaxxer. She filed for divorce as soon as she was well enough to do so.

I’m sorry about your cousin but nobody is disputing the shutdowns in March of 2020. It’s the shutdowns post-vaccine — which continued for another year after vaccines were available in some blue-controlled areas — that is and was a policy of the radical left who governed.

Which reminds me of another left policy: giving teachers precedence for vaccines but not making them return to teaching in person until a year after the vaccine was developed.

The generational loss of learning, hitting the most vulnerable, which is undisputed, sits squarely on the shoulders of the left, and that is actually radical left.

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Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What schools did democrats shut down for 2 years? My classroom shut down in March, ALONG WITH CLASSROOMS AROUND THE ENTIRE WORLD! Kids were back in the classroom in November, in a hybrid setting (which they actually loved). In January, we returned to all in-person. This was a pretty common sequence of events. What schools did democrats shut down for 2 years? Please be specific.

I’m in California. My child’s public school did not go back to quasi normal schooling with a teacher in a classroom until around spring of 2022, and back to normal schooling until fall 2023. Except at that point, kids were so far behind that it’s remedial, not normal.

Until that point, there was some variation of outright cancelled, remote “learning” by video, “teacher in a box” where they opened the classroom but propped a computer on the teachers’s desk (you can imagine how well that went), every other day attendance, etc.

The learning loss data is devastating. Many kids are functionally illiterate, far worse in the most vulnerable populations. California children read at worse levels than Mississippi children.

This is done by blue Democrats alone. They sacrificed the education of an entire generation to give more to an already bloated union.

Laying blame at the feet of teachers unions ignores a ton of complexity. There was a lack of clear science and epidemiology on spread and prevention, a ton of incoherent and fragmented guidance from the feds (and remember, that all started with Trump, and was made worse by pandering to pseudoscience and other junk) combined with lack of testing infrastructure, leaving a patchwork of thousands of school districts to independently come up with their own protocols. Add to that significant disparities, whether poor inner city schools, higher population densities and reliance on crowded public transit, higher rates of multigenerational housing, outdated school infrastructure with poor hvac, and so on, plus it was often black and Hispanic communities that were distrustful of government handling of the pandemic...

Whoever fed you the "it was all because of the unions" line is only slightly brighter than you (for knowing how to manipulate you) but still missed the mark.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the decades to come and looking back at this awful period of American history, things will be very clear and it will be inconceivable that American citizens supported Trump.

Besides the “stolen” 2020 election, the “Radical Left” is the other big lie. The overwhelming majority of democrats are basically centrists. It’s not radical to want affordable healthcare for all Americans, reasonable gun control, treat immigrants humanly even while deporting illegal immigrants, treat non-white, non-Christian, non-straight, non-male people with dignity and equality, not murder American citizens who are protesting, expect billionaires to pay their taxes, expect Epstein’s pedo ring to be released, expect global diplomacy and no wars, affordability, etc. These are things Trump has made MAGA believe are radical and un-American. He is a master at propaganda, I’ll give him that.

However, the right is indeed radical, with Project 2025 and horrific concentration camps, destroying our global reputation, destroying public health systems, stripping affordable healthcare destroying public education, waging wars, letting prices soar while building golden ballrooms and Trump enriching himself and building monuments to himself. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Yet somehow our own citizens are sadly duped.

Decades down the road, in hindsight, it will be shameful and inconceivable. Similar to that other period of time in that other country with that other evil guy we’re not allowed to mention.

In decades to come, the extremism of both sides will be recognized. The left is on the wrong side of history for many issues. Of course, MAGA is too. But this is not a period of time where the left will be seen as a force for good, overall.

Pro choice
Pro healthcare
Pro positive economic growth
anti-fascism
pro civil rights for all

Ya, these are horrible and on the wrong side of history.

Shrug. Not my fault if you aren’t capable of thinking.

Let’s pick one idea from the left: shutting down schools for two years at the behest of the teachers’ unions. We know now that was disastrous and did not save lives. This is not going to be remembered kindly.

Of course MAGA has their own bad ideas that will not survive the harsh view of history. But to pretend the left doesn’t have their own share is silly.

What a misinformed and ridiculous statement.

April 2021, unvaccinated/unmasked Covid death rate among Republican voters was 43% to 76% higher than among Democratic voters.

Ohio and Florida cross-referenced voter registration with death records. Republican voters experienced substantially higher mortality than Democrats.

Shutting down schools was determined by states. They determined safety protocols for their schools. Parents had final say of their own children.

Also, it wasn't arbitrary or capricious - contact tracing data showed that schools were one of the top places where COVID was being spread and early on there were numerous cases of teachers and school staff being among the hardest hit by death and incapacitation due to COVID. My cousin got COVID at her school and nearly died, ended up in a coma for several months, and needed an ECMO machine to oxygenate her blood because her lungs had zero function. And still to this day suffers from long covid issues. Ironically her husband was a MAGA covid conspiracy theorist and anti vaxxer. She filed for divorce as soon as she was well enough to do so.

I’m sorry about your cousin but nobody is disputing the shutdowns in March of 2020. It’s the shutdowns post-vaccine — which continued for another year after vaccines were available in some blue-controlled areas — that is and was a policy of the radical left who governed.

Which reminds me of another left policy: giving teachers precedence for vaccines but not making them return to teaching in person until a year after the vaccine was developed.

The generational loss of learning, hitting the most vulnerable, which is undisputed, sits squarely on the shoulders of the left, and that is actually radical left.

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Inconvenient facts, as usual.

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Per PISA scores, Iceland, Malaysia, Germany, Bulgaria, Netherlands, Slovakia saw worse drops in educational outcomes than the US but I guess we have to accept the MAGA narrative and say that was also all entirely the fault of Sleepy Joe and American teachers unions /s