The system offers no incentive to educate the best and brightest

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

They probably haven’t realized ALL their news outlets are only about brainwashing and propaganda. What a bunch of fools😝

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

They probably haven’t realized ALL their news outlets are only about brainwashing and propaganda. What a bunch of fools😝

The strange thing is that people on your side seem eager to use proxies to access American media just to make a point. I still don’t understand why… how much insecurity does it take to go to such lengths? It’s like your government tells people not to go to Japan, yet the reality clearly says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

The best and the brightest figure out very early that it's a game and learn how to play.

It's not a meritocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

They probably haven’t realized ALL their news outlets are only about brainwashing and propaganda. What a bunch of fools😝

The strange thing is that people on your side seem eager to use proxies to access American media just to make a point. I still don’t understand why… how much insecurity does it take to go to such lengths? It’s like your government tells people not to go to Japan, yet the reality clearly says otherwise.

Except that I’m an American posting in the U.S. You assumed too much, a sign of lack of intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

They probably haven’t realized ALL their news outlets are only about brainwashing and propaganda. What a bunch of fools😝

The strange thing is that people on your side seem eager to use proxies to access American media just to make a point. I still don’t understand why… how much insecurity does it take to go to such lengths? It’s like your government tells people not to go to Japan, yet the reality clearly says otherwise.

Except that I’m an American posting in the U.S. You assumed too much, a sign of lack of intelligence.

Ok so you are telling us you are Chinese spy in the U.S.?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

They probably haven’t realized ALL their news outlets are only about brainwashing and propaganda. What a bunch of fools😝

The strange thing is that people on your side seem eager to use proxies to access American media just to make a point. I still don’t understand why… how much insecurity does it take to go to such lengths? It’s like your government tells people not to go to Japan, yet the reality clearly says otherwise.

Except that I’m an American posting in the U.S. You assumed too much, a sign of lack of intelligence.

Ok so you are telling us you are Chinese spy in the U.S.?

So my previous belief about you being a brainwashed idiot is absolutely accurate, evidenced by something like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

They probably haven’t realized ALL their news outlets are only about brainwashing and propaganda. What a bunch of fools😝

The strange thing is that people on your side seem eager to use proxies to access American media just to make a point. I still don’t understand why… how much insecurity does it take to go to such lengths? It’s like your government tells people not to go to Japan, yet the reality clearly says otherwise.

Except that I’m an American posting in the U.S. You assumed too much, a sign of lack of intelligence.

Ok so you are telling us you are Chinese spy in the U.S.?

So my previous belief about you being a brainwashed idiot is absolutely accurate, evidenced by something like this.

You’re the same person on DCUM who likes to call people—well, American people, if you prefer—idiots. Most likely, people skip your posts, and when they do respond, it’s probably out of pity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

or Canada

But for the UK/China/India, you should really go and experience K-12 as well. Where at an early age (in UK/INdia it's around 12) your kid takes a test one day and their future is dictated from that. If they do well, they can be on the STEM/Premed/Prelaw track. If not, they are relegated to Humanities/Social sciences/less intense MS/HS curriculum. So your kid who hasn't matured/found their way at age 10-12 simply wont' be prepared to be a STEM or premed major. They won't be able to take the HS curriculum to support that.

I much prefer the opportunity for kids to grow at their own pace and for the 3.5 kid in HS to have the opportunity to get their PHD or become a doctor because by college they have found their way

What American college reliably accepts kids who got a 3.5 in high school but also has a respectable rate of graduates who go on to become doctors or PHDs? None. The door is just as firmly closed in the USA.

Are you joking? Any large state school would have a non-negligible number of students who graduated high school with an unweighted 3.5 and went on to become doctors or PhDs. That’s the point that PP‘s are making - in the US if you crush it during undergrad because you matured or stop smoking pot, there’s still a chance for you to shine

— one of those very people.

[Anonymous]

American college graduates are struggling to find work in the fields they trained for. According to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, recent graduate unemployment stands at 5.3% – higher than the overall workforce – with underemployment reaching 41.8%, the highest level since 2020. The Cleveland Fed reports that the unemployment gap between college and high school graduates is at its lowest since the late 1970s, concluding that the bachelor's degree is "no longer delivering on its fundamental promise."

Meanwhile, fewer than half of American STEM graduates are finding jobs in STEM fields, yet 53% of workers in the Optional Practical Training (OPT) program are employed in STEM. The OPT program has grown over 400% in recent years, even as software development job postings have fallen 34% from pre-COVID levels. Computer science graduates face 6.1% unemployment, computer engineering graduates 7.5%, and physics graduates 7.8%.

Please send a message to your U.S. Representative urging him to support H.R. 2315, the Fairness for High-Skilled Americans Act, to eliminate the OPT program and level the playing field for American college graduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is easy to see that no amount of sugarcoating can disguise the lies

The best and the brightest is not who gets the best grades. It is the best whole students. Highest grades alone produce people that will not be the best workers/executives/people.