The system offers no incentive to educate the best and brightest

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

You could Google cheating Chinese entrance exam before you post nonsense next time. Everyone who reads news know of this problem https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn1S18nb_Tj8&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj7yP-YuJ-SAxXsLFkFHWSeOm4Qz40FegQIHBAL&usg=AOvVaw0EqhwJhwst2d91ohp0_8iN

Yes a YouTube video is a very reliable source of information, as reliable as trust me bro.

I don’t have a dog in this fight but didn’t the person asserting that cheating doesnt exist literally write “the truth is”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is easy to see that no amount of sugarcoating can disguise the lies

It's actually far better now than it was in the past. Are you unaware that not too long ago when many of the top schools didn't even admit women? Etc.

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Don't know why this is on the college board, it starts with local funding of schools. I got into a T-5 college and had high SAT scores and high grades in HS but was totally unprepared compared to the kids who had gone to private school or who were from Westchester/Morris/Fairfield/Montgomery/Fairfax counties. And I went to a "good" high school and had college-educated parents, kids from actual bad high schools or first-gen college students had no chance of success...

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Anonymous wrote:China is doing pretty well I think everyone agrees

why are you here?

The pay was better and there were more opportunities here, but it feels like the world is leveling out, and quality of life in the U.S. is slipping pretty fast. And before anyone says something like “go back to ___,” just remember that people move to—or leave—places mostly for economic reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah why not, we are going to import H1B doctors soon.

I am pretty sure we do that now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't know why this is on the college board, it starts with local funding of schools. I got into a T-5 college and had high SAT scores and high grades in HS but was totally unprepared compared to the kids who had gone to private school or who were from Westchester/Morris/Fairfield/Montgomery/Fairfax counties. And I went to a "good" high school and had college-educated parents, kids from actual bad high schools or first-gen college students had no chance of success...

Academic performance is really just the most visible benefit of elite private K–12 education. There are a lot of less obvious things those schools instill as well—things you can’t pick up from textbooks or by grinding harder. And building that kind of edge takes a long time and largely impact by who you hang out with.

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Anonymous wrote:China is doing pretty well I think everyone agrees

Lol. No. You only see what they want you to see.

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Anonymous wrote:China is doing pretty well I think everyone agrees

Lol. No. You only see what they want you to see.

Of course—it goes both ways. No one’s going to advertise the ugly parts to outsiders; every place has them. It’s not like we’re doing any better, either. In fact, we get mocked plenty. I’ve had friends visiting from Munich ask me to take them to San Francisco just to see “the fentanyl fold.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

In China, the test scores required from poor provinces is lower than from wealthier provinces. This serves the same function as the state school preferences.

I believe China also has affirmative action quotas for racial minorities. But otherwise, they admit based on merit rather than athletic ability, hobbies, non-profits, fame, employment, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Is MIT/Caltech not educating the best and the brightest by all traditional standards, including those of India/China/UK?

MIT has a 50/50 male/female gender ratio.
MIT was engaging in affirmative action until recently.
Caltech was always pretty merit based.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:China is doing pretty well I think everyone agrees

Says nobody with any intelligence.

Says someone who never saw what China looked like 20 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

In China, the test scores required from poor provinces is lower than from wealthier provinces. This serves the same function as the state school preferences.

I believe China also has affirmative action quotas for racial minorities. But otherwise, they admit based on merit rather than athletic ability, hobbies, non-profits, fame, employment, etc.

They have their own set of problems, and their population is three times ours. In some ways, competition in the U.S. is actually tougher because our kids are competing against the global elite. It’s a completely different scale, which sometimes makes comparisons feel pointless. That said, the fact that our institutions don’t prioritize Americans more, don’t strike a better domestic balance, and continue to push middle-class families down the list doesn’t seem like a smart long-term strategy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

You need to clarify this. In England a public school is what we in the US call a private school.

They mean state school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

It’s an American thing, especially a white thing. Look at all the rampant cheating in the U.S. college admissions by white people that is actually allowed, claiming ADHD for longer exam time and faking as Hispanic to gain unfair advantage, just to name a few.

Why is it fair to have a Hispanic advantage?

It's not. But white people feel guilty about stuff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is MIT/Caltech not educating the best and the brightest by all traditional standards, including those of India/China/UK?

MIT has a 50/50 male/female gender ratio.
MIT was engaging in affirmative action until recently.
Caltech was always pretty merit based.

You don’t seem to know Caltech at all.