The system offers no incentive to educate the best and brightest

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

It’s an American thing, especially a white thing. Look at all the rampant cheating in the U.S. college admissions by white people that is actually allowed, claiming ADHD for longer exam time and faking as Hispanic to gain unfair advantage, just to name a few.

Why is it fair to have a Hispanic advantage?

It's not. But white people feel guilty about stuff.

Or you could say they created this discriminatory system so that they can take advantage of it by faking as Hispanics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

or Canada

But for the UK/China/India, you should really go and experience K-12 as well. Where at an early age (in UK/INdia it's around 12) your kid takes a test one day and their future is dictated from that. If they do well, they can be on the STEM/Premed/Prelaw track. If not, they are relegated to Humanities/Social sciences/less intense MS/HS curriculum. So your kid who hasn't matured/found their way at age 10-12 simply wont' be prepared to be a STEM or premed major. They won't be able to take the HS curriculum to support that.

I much prefer the opportunity for kids to grow at their own pace and for the 3.5 kid in HS to have the opportunity to get their PHD or become a doctor because by college they have found their way

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

You want the sorting hat to be put on even younger than it is now? No thanks.

American kids all choose their area of study at 17/18. Many just fabricate it for easier admission since major can be changed.

Well in UK/India, kids take a test around age 11/12, and how you do that one day determines your future track thru HS (and thus college). If you don't do well, you are not focusing on STEM classes at all, so you simply won't get into a college as a STEM major or anything to do with premed.
It's easier to "get into college" based on just academics because those systems removed 75% of the students back at age 11 from the competition.

I prefer the USA way. However, you are entitled to move anywhere else to get your kid educated if you feel it is truly better

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is MIT/Caltech not educating the best and the brightest by all traditional standards, including those of India/China/UK?

MIT has a 50/50 male/female gender ratio.
MIT was engaging in affirmative action until recently.
Caltech was always pretty merit based.

You don’t seem to know Caltech at all.

It is a little unfortunate for Caltech.

[Anonymous]

America is supposed to be the land of opportunities but the door is closing quickly :-/

Can't fight the greed and selfishness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

or Canada

But for the UK/China/India, you should really go and experience K-12 as well. Where at an early age (in UK/INdia it's around 12) your kid takes a test one day and their future is dictated from that. If they do well, they can be on the STEM/Premed/Prelaw track. If not, they are relegated to Humanities/Social sciences/less intense MS/HS curriculum. So your kid who hasn't matured/found their way at age 10-12 simply wont' be prepared to be a STEM or premed major. They won't be able to take the HS curriculum to support that.

I much prefer the opportunity for kids to grow at their own pace and for the 3.5 kid in HS to have the opportunity to get their PHD or become a doctor because by college they have found their way

What American college reliably accepts kids who got a 3.5 in high school but also has a respectable rate of graduates who go on to become doctors or PHDs? None. The door is just as firmly closed in the USA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MIT/Caltech not educating the best and the brightest by all traditional standards, including those of India/China/UK?

MIT has a 50/50 male/female gender ratio.
MIT was engaging in affirmative action until recently.
Caltech was always pretty merit based.

You don’t seem to know Caltech at all.

How was Caltech not merit based in admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

or Canada

But for the UK/China/India, you should really go and experience K-12 as well. Where at an early age (in UK/INdia it's around 12) your kid takes a test one day and their future is dictated from that. If they do well, they can be on the STEM/Premed/Prelaw track. If not, they are relegated to Humanities/Social sciences/less intense MS/HS curriculum. So your kid who hasn't matured/found their way at age 10-12 simply wont' be prepared to be a STEM or premed major. They won't be able to take the HS curriculum to support that.

I much prefer the opportunity for kids to grow at their own pace and for the 3.5 kid in HS to have the opportunity to get their PHD or become a doctor because by college they have found their way

What American college reliably accepts kids who got a 3.5 in high school but also has a respectable rate of graduates who go on to become doctors or PHDs? None. The door is just as firmly closed in the USA.

All you have to do is go to medical schools overseas. I would not say the door is firmly closed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MIT/Caltech not educating the best and the brightest by all traditional standards, including those of India/China/UK?

MIT has a 50/50 male/female gender ratio.
MIT was engaging in affirmative action until recently.
Caltech was always pretty merit based.

You don’t seem to know Caltech at all.

How was Caltech not merit based in admissions?

My perception of merit is - you got students like Feynman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

Cheating is pretty rare because the consequences are so severe. The wealthy families have a lot of incentive to get their kids into top schools or suffer a loss of social standing (it's not like here where rich families don't really care where their kids go to school), but they have usually gotten around this by buying their way into a US school.

If you cheat on the Gaokao, you can go to jail and can never take the Gaokao which means you can't go to college in China.

It is as high stakes as high stakes gets but cheating really ramps up the stakes.

They just need to wake up from the thousand years of brain wash that education is the only way out. Not everyone is suitable for cookie-cutter education

Americans talking about brainwashing 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah right? Too bad this is going to get worse after AI. No escape.

[Anonymous]

Funny I just saw this

"Gen Z Arriving at College Unable to Read"

https://futurism.com/future-society/gen-z-literacy-reading

[Anonymous]

Darwin in action...