The system offers no incentive to educate the best and brightest

[Anonymous]

It's almost like wealth smooths the way for things.

/s

I can't imagine someone just realizing this stuff. There is help - schools that are looking for talented kids no matter their background, but you have hoops to jump through to get funding (financial aid) and support if your local schools aren't well-resourced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

It’s an American thing, especially a white thing. Look at all the rampant cheating in the U.S. college admissions by white people that is actually allowed, claiming ADHD for longer exam time and faking as Hispanic to gain unfair advantage, just to name a few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

It’s an American thing, especially a white thing. Look at all the rampant cheating in the U.S. college admissions by white people that is actually allowed, claiming ADHD for longer exam time and faking as Hispanic to gain unfair advantage, just to name a few.

Why is it fair to have a Hispanic advantage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

+1 These countries are hardly beacons of equity.

Cheating is rampant throughout parts of Asia, most of Africa, and parts of Eastern Europe. People in Communist countries don't even see anything wrong with it. It's just what everyone does to get around the ridiculous rules.

Support for special needs kids isn't valued. The mentality is to just get them out of the gen ed classroom despite their potential abilities. The high IQ, twice exceptional kids with ADHD are discarded too.

There's a reason that people in Western countries aren't clamoring to move to these countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

+1 These countries are hardly beacons of equity.

Cheating is rampant throughout parts of Asia, most of Africa, and parts of Eastern Europe. People in Communist countries don't even see anything wrong with it. It's just what everyone does to get around the ridiculous rules.

Support for special needs kids isn't valued. The mentality is to just get them out of the gen ed classroom despite their potential abilities. The high IQ, twice exceptional kids with ADHD are discarded too.

There's a reason that people in Western countries aren't clamoring to move to these countries.

Is “more than a third” considered rampant?
https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:China is doing pretty well I think everyone agrees

why are you here?

[Anonymous]

I agree the system doesnt' really get the best and brightest.

As long as we can agree, it never did.

The people I have a problem with are the people who thought that the kids at Harvard in 1995 *were* the best and brightest. Nope. Nor was it true with the white ment in 1935.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China is doing pretty well I think everyone agrees

why are you here?

DP but it could be because it’s easier to stand out here as a significant portion of people are brainwashed and incompetent.

[Anonymous]

I think it's positive that the "best and brightest" - by which I think you mean highest test scorers - don't all funnel to just one spot. It's a positive thing for this great big country to have many universities graduating really smart kids and a variety of experiences that our "best and brightest" are exposed to vs every single tippy top smart kid going to HYPS.

- mom of a 1570 SAT kid headed to a SLAC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

You could Google cheating Chinese entrance exam before you post nonsense next time. Everyone who reads news know of this problem https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn1S18nb_Tj8&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj7yP-YuJ-SAxXsLFkFHWSeOm4Qz40FegQIHBAL&usg=AOvVaw0EqhwJhwst2d91ohp0_8iN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah public schools budget waste gazillions on special ed kids while bright kids are left alone to figure things out. Stinks for the smart but poor kids, but often their cognitive gifts do help them figure things out in the end. Very sub-optimal use of resources for any society.

Agree 100%. I know of a kid who got a 5 on AP calc BC when he was 12. What did the school district to help him make the most of his gifts? As far as I know, nothing. By college he was just taking the same math classes as everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's positive that the "best and brightest" - by which I think you mean highest test scorers - don't all funnel to just one spot. It's a positive thing for this great big country to have many universities graduating really smart kids and a variety of experiences that our "best and brightest" are exposed to vs every single tippy top smart kid going to HYPS.

- mom of a 1570 SAT kid headed to a SLAC

I think what’s actually upsetting to people is not the fact that the highest scoring kids go to a variety of places, but the fact that there’s no national guarantees. Like there’s no guarantee that your 1570 kid will get in anywhere where even one other student scored over 1400. The solutions to that situation are basically “be more sophisticated,” ie, the burden falls entirely on the families to navigate a complicated system that in many respects is designed to confuse you and extract money from you. Elite schools are so focused on their own priorities that they wind up talking as if it would be totally fine with them if the majority of 1570 kids did not get into college anywhere at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, you’ve discovered something we all realized years and years ago.

If you want a meritocratic admissions system, move to China or the UK.

This is an example of just how how stupid people. Chinas system is massively affected by wealth with few from poor areas able to attend the better universities. In the UK they give large preferences to kids from public schools because otherwise all of the spots at top schools would be filled by private school kids. Thanks for highlighting your ignorance.

The China system is based on a single exam that pretty much all students grind for.
The UK system is also based on performance on levels, exams and personal statement about why you are applying to that particular course of program (i.e. major). And the applicant is committed to that course for the next 3-4 years.
Also, public school means private there and the reverse. (Everything seems upside down there in language usage sometimes)

There is rampant cheating in China and India on these exams. Wealthy people literally bribe the proctors or there have been instances where the exam creators sold the exam Q&A ahead of time.

Poor people have parents feeding answers to their kids through windows. Go google that and you see parents on three story ladders. Not sure if there is any proctor in the room for the poor kids as have no idea how it is so commonplace.

People here are such liars. I don’t know if it’s just a DCUM or just an American thing (probably latter). But the truth is there is close to zero cheating in Chinese Gaokao, as it’s one of the most serious events. It probably only happens in your imaginary world.

You could Google cheating Chinese entrance exam before you post nonsense next time. Everyone who reads news know of this problem https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dn1S18nb_Tj8&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj7yP-YuJ-SAxXsLFkFHWSeOm4Qz40FegQIHBAL&usg=AOvVaw0EqhwJhwst2d91ohp0_8iN

Yes a YouTube video is a very reliable source of information, as reliable as trust me bro.