Handmaids Tale is Already Here

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

Women in the military cannot just up and leave the state for a medical procedure. They do not have the autonomy of private citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

You're right Christian morality had just as little effect on western values as Greco-Roman law and philosophy did on our legal system

I never said it had no influence on it, I said it does not GOVERN us. We are bound by OUR laws and OUR constitution, not the Bible or Greco-Roman laws.

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Anonymous wrote:Women's voted for this. White women specifically. It was more important to them to align themselves with white supremacy, hunt immigrants, and subjugate Black people than it was to protect the rule of law and their own rights. Why are people not more upset? I'm not going to continue twisting myself into knots trying to protect you morons from the consequences of your moronic choices. Clearly, we need to suffer for a bit.

Please stop blaming women. Men voted for Trump in greater numbers. But let's overall stop blaming and dividing each other- thats how tyranny wins.

I will not. White women never want to get honest about their role in all this, and I'm tired of the gaslighting. You're with us when it suits you and against us when white supremacy benefits you, and THAT is why tyranny won, and will continue to win until white America decides a functioning government and society is worth sharing this country and this planet with brown people.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

I urge you to do the same especially if you are a Maga because God/Jesus would condemn you all for treating a criminal as if he is god himself. If this is you and you want people tp become good christians realize you are in a sick cult.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Not all women view abortion rights as central to women's rights. If you can read that without getting really upset, let me continue: I believe the main reason femininism is losing its appeal among younger women has to do with abortion and feminism being synonymous. You can believe in, for example, women being able to vote, work, own property, be independent etc while also believing abortion is murder.

Just stop.....your body is yours and mine is mine. You don't get a say. If you can read past that without getting upset then we can talk. If not you are nothing but a close minded MAGA. Let me explain it in simple terms.....if someone needs or wants an abortion they should have that right-It's their body. If you or someone else does not believe in abortion you or someone else should stick to your beliefs and never do that but you DO NOT get to decide about someone else's body and if you are a woman it should disgust you that "men" in office who prove every day that they are not true christians are trying to control women and their bodies. You either believe in women having choices or you don't. Because first it's abortion but soon it will be your right to vote your right to work your right to own property. Open your eyes. You do you and others should be able to make their own choices that is what having rights means.
I wonder how many abortions Epstein and trump and Bannon have paid for in last year.....things that make you go hmmmmmmm. They are such good "christians"

Either you want an answer to the question about why more women don't support abortion rights, or you exclusively want your own beliefs reinforced. I'm not telling you what to believe. I note that you are telling me what to believe and also insulting me. And you wonder why women are increasingly wary of "feminism."

You sound like an ignorant MAGA and you people insult everyone but sure have thin skins when people respond. Go watch your FOX-it will give you more kkkool aid and tell you how to think.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

The only dystopian issues we have are dump and his "administration" oh and his cult followers.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

And plenty of people would ban abortion in all states if they could get away with it. Don’t be dumb.

Fortunately in the US we have a less powerful federal government and states can decide based on democratically elected legislators. I support abortion in some cases but the ridiculous posturing of the pro-choice has proved counterproductive and now here we are.

maga gonna maga

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

See the multiple stories about women needing to be airlifted out of Idaho to obtain life saving abortions.
When you are septic or bleeding out with an unviable fetus, you don't have time for a road trip.

Debunked as fake news that was intentionally exaggerated to be misleading.

https://www.ag.idaho.gov/newsroom/idaho-defends-pro-life-law-at-9th-circuit-dispels-airlifting-narrative/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/nov/11/idaho-challenges-abortion-airlift-claims/

Idaho law allows abortion to prevent the pregnant patient’s death.

I don't know what to believe here as the evidence is just the state claiming it isn't so.

Either way, research does show a sepsis increase in TX in 2nd trimester.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

See the multiple stories about women needing to be airlifted out of Idaho to obtain life saving abortions.
When you are septic or bleeding out with an unviable fetus, you don't have time for a road trip.

Debunked as fake news that was intentionally exaggerated to be misleading.

https://www.ag.idaho.gov/newsroom/idaho-defends-pro-life-law-at-9th-circuit-dispels-airlifting-narrative/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/nov/11/idaho-challenges-abortion-airlift-claims/

Idaho law allows abortion to prevent the pregnant patient’s death.

Not debunked, later article.

https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2025/04/19/under-idahos-abortion-ban-a-family-confronts-life-or-death-reality-and-a-crisis-of-faith/

PS do you also get angry then at the right's hysteria of trans people in bathrooms? Or is anecdote justifiable there, but not here?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

See the multiple stories about women needing to be airlifted out of Idaho to obtain life saving abortions.
When you are septic or bleeding out with an unviable fetus, you don't have time for a road trip.

Debunked as fake news that was intentionally exaggerated to be misleading.

https://www.ag.idaho.gov/newsroom/idaho-defends-pro-life-law-at-9th-circuit-dispels-airlifting-narrative/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/nov/11/idaho-challenges-abortion-airlift-claims/

Idaho law allows abortion to prevent the pregnant patient’s death.

The problem is that by the time someone starts dying from sepsis it might be too late to save their life already. Medical risks from pregnancy are not black and white. They are probabilistic in nature and it easy for attorneys that have no experience in medicine to pretend they can predict whether a woman was actually at risk from a pregnancy after an abortion occurred, but reality is more complicated. Pregnancy is inherently very dangerous and before modern medicine more than 1/100 women died from their pregnancy. With modern medical care this number is much lower (below 1/5000), but abortion ban laws that interfere with medical doctors ability to treat patients can make this number much worse. The US already has the highest maternal mortality rate among high-income OCED countries. These policies will make it worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women (who were raped)[b] have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

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You conveniently forgot to mention that detail that I added in bold to your comment. These military women also need permission to travel for medical procedures and the[b] military is explicitly not allowed to provide leave for abortion due to recent policy changes. So yes that is terrible. Women who were raped will be forced to give birth to their rapists baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

Degenerate troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Women's voted for this. White women specifically. It was more important to them to align themselves with white supremacy, hunt immigrants, and subjugate Black people than it was to protect the rule of law and their own rights. Why are people not more upset? I'm not going to continue twisting myself into knots trying to protect you morons from the consequences of your moronic choices. Clearly, we need to suffer for a bit.

Please stop blaming women. Men voted for Trump in greater numbers. But let's overall stop blaming and dividing each other- thats how tyranny wins.

I will not. White women never want to get honest about their role in all this, and I'm tired of the gaslighting. You're with us when it suits you and against us when white supremacy benefits you, and THAT is why tyranny won, and will continue to win until white America decides a functioning government and society is worth sharing this country and this planet with brown people.

Sorry, but plenty of black and brown men voted for Trump over Harris. Not sure why you are targeting white women as the evil gaslighters.

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Anonymous wrote:Women's voted for this. White women specifically. It was more important to them to align themselves with white supremacy, hunt immigrants, and subjugate Black people than it was to protect the rule of law and their own rights. Why are people not more upset? I'm not going to continue twisting myself into knots trying to protect you morons from the consequences of your moronic choices. Clearly, we need to suffer for a bit.

Please stop blaming women. Men voted for Trump in greater numbers. But let's overall stop blaming and dividing each other- thats how tyranny wins.

I will not. White women never want to get honest about their role in all this, and I'm tired of the gaslighting. You're with us when it suits you and against us when white supremacy benefits you, and THAT is why tyranny won, and will continue to win until white America decides a functioning government and society is worth sharing this country and this planet with brown people.

I don't think the white women who voted for Trump would ever be "with you." These aren't the same groups.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Stuff your rooting up your stupid anus, poster.

I have a wonderful relationship with God because I’m not a FAKE Christian like you are.

God loves me and doesn’t care whether I have one abortion or two dozen abortions. BECAUSE ABORTION IS NOT A SIN, IT IS HEALTHCARE YOU STUPID GIT.

You’re an a******. If anyone on this thread is an anti Christ, it’s YOU.

No, it would be me, because I’m a NP posting here as an atheist who is critical of the OPs hysteria and sensationalist claims.

If OP wants to experience living in a religious fundamentalist society, there are plenty that she could visit, but not in North America.

I beg to differ. I spent a couple of decades as an atheist, and I don’t believe atheists are anti Christ at all. Pope Francis said atheists would be welcomed into the kingdom of heaven if they were good hearted people who did good works in their lives.

In my opinion there is nothing more anti Christ that someone who uses the cloak of Christianity to perpetuate evil in this world, and who by their words and deeds rejects the most essential teachings of Christ - the red letters of the gospels.

That’s the MAGA movement in a nutshell. It is also this vile disgusting war on women launched in the 70s as a political tool to rally the ignorant and inflame those masses to ‘save the unborn’ while turning their hearts and minds against the born who are poor or otherwise downtrodden and in need of Christian charity.

The anti choice movement is anti Christ, it encourages idolization of concepts that are not in the teachings of Christ at all and at the cost of eschewing the core principles of his message. The anti choice movement has expended so much wealth over the last 50+ years on the idea of controlling women and morally judging them (ironically most have a massive beam in their own eye), while allowing actual children born into this world, and their mothers, to suffer in poverty and exploitation. Jesus wept. It is just as obvious to an atheist or a true believer that this is a perversion Christianity. These people are evil among us, sent to test us - and many are failing.

Most atheists I’ve known are finer people than most so-called Christians I’ve known. Atheists try to make the world HERE and NOW a more just place because they don’t have obsessive attachment to a world beyond. Jesus wanted his followers to strive for the same, for a just world here and now, for people to live the ideals and not for them to say if I believe in Him I will be rewarded later. It was the original perversion of the church by the government to exploit the people by getting them to accept injustice in life on the hopes of a reward in heaven. Jesus was a woke radical who wanted a transformed life in the HERE and NOW. Everything that MAGA is doing He would weep over, and if He showed up again tomorrow preaching the Sermon on the Mount they would crucify him in the blink of an eye. They are not real Christians.