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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va
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It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.[/quote]

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams. [/quote]
? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?
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Women still have the rights to their body.  
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.[/quote]

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. [b]Miscarriages are abortions[/b], you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.[/quote]

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage.   Cruel.[/quote]

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women. [/quote]

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you. [/quote]

Stuff your rooting up your stupid anus, poster.

I have a wonderful relationship with God because I’m not a FAKE Christian like you are.

God loves me and doesn’t care whether I have one abortion or two dozen abortions. BECAUSE ABORTION IS NOT A SIN, IT IS HEALTHCARE YOU STUPID GIT.

You’re an a******. If anyone on this thread is an anti Christ, it’s YOU.[/quote]

No, it would be me, because I’m a NP posting here as an atheist who is critical of the OPs hysteria and sensationalist claims.

If OP wants to experience living in a religious fundamentalist society, there are plenty that she could visit, but not in North America.

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I beg to differ. I spent a couple of decades as an atheist, and I don’t believe atheists are anti Christ at all. Pope Francis said atheists would be welcomed into the kingdom of heaven if they were good hearted people who did good works in their lives.

In my opinion there is nothing more anti Christ that someone who uses the cloak of Christianity to perpetuate evil in this world, and who by their words and deeds rejects the most essential teachings of Christ - the red letters of the gospels.

That’s the MAGA movement in a nutshell. It is also this vile disgusting war on women launched in the 70s as a political tool to rally the ignorant and inflame those masses to ‘save the unborn’ while turning their hearts and minds against the born who are poor or otherwise downtrodden and in need of Christian charity.

The anti choice movement is anti Christ, it encourages idolization of concepts that are not in the teachings of Christ at all and at the cost of eschewing the core principles of his message. The anti choice movement has expended so much wealth over the last 50+ years on the idea of controlling women and morally judging them (ironically most have a massive beam in their own eye), while allowing actual children born into this world, and their mothers, to suffer in poverty and exploitation. Jesus wept. It is just as obvious to an atheist or a true believer that this is a perversion Christianity. These people are evil among us, sent to test us - and many are failing.

Most atheists I’ve known are finer people than most so-called Christians I’ve known. Atheists try to make the world HERE and NOW a more just place because they don’t have obsessive attachment to a world beyond. Jesus wanted his followers to strive for the same, for a just world here and now, for people to live the ideals and not for them to say if I believe in Him I will be rewarded later. It was the original perversion of the church by the government to exploit the people by getting them to accept injustice in life on the hopes of a reward in heaven. Jesus was a woke radical who wanted a transformed life in the HERE and NOW. Everything that MAGA is doing He would weep over, and if He showed up again tomorrow preaching the Sermon on the Mount they would crucify him in the blink of an eye. They are not real Christians. 
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