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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

I’m the person you’re quoting. The post that I was responding to expressly raised the point as to whether abortion was addressed in the Bible. I chimed in to explain why I believe that it is.

You raise an entirely separate point, which is whether the Bible has any applicability to you as a non-believer. Your premise is that the Bible is a “work of fiction” and, so, it does not. There is something to your logic if your premise is right. But if your premise is wrong—which is to say if Christianity is substantially correct—then your logic collapses because truth, be it scientific, religious, or anything else, matters even if it’s disbelieved. In my opinion, your premise is wrong. Good luck and God bless you!

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

I’m the person you’re quoting. The post that I was responding to expressly raised the point as to whether abortion was addressed in the Bible. I chimed in to explain why I believe that it is.

You raise an entirely separate point, which is whether the Bible has any applicability to you as a non-believer. Your premise is that the Bible is a “work of fiction” and, so, it does not. There is something to your logic if your premise is right. But if your premise is wrong—which is to say if Christianity is substantially correct—then your logic collapses because truth, be it scientific, religious, or anything else, matters even if it’s disbelieved. In my opinion, your premise is wrong. Good luck and God bless you!

That's because it's your religion, which you believe to be true, genius. I do not. Your morality is your and mine is mine. You are free to not get abortions. I will get one if I need or desire one, as nothing in my own moral framework would make it wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

I’m the person you’re quoting. The post that I was responding to expressly raised the point as to whether abortion was addressed in the Bible. I chimed in to explain why I believe that it is.

You raise an entirely separate point, which is whether the Bible has any applicability to you as a non-believer. Your premise is that the Bible is a “work of fiction” and, so, it does not. There is something to your logic if your premise is right. But if your premise is wrong—which is to say if Christianity is substantially correct—then your logic collapses because truth, be it scientific, religious, or anything else, matters even if it’s disbelieved. In my opinion, your premise is wrong. Good luck and God bless you!

In our free country, one person's religion should not dictate another's freedoms. If your argument against abortion is based on your religion, then it is anti American to implement law restricting the freedom of others based on it. Using the religion logic, women could lose the right to vote based on Biblical interpretation (which some, like Hegseth, seem to support). Heck no to using religion to determine freedoms.

If you want to make an anti-abortion argument based on general, ethical concerns, fine.

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Powerful and or sexy men fight over me?

Wow that's a new one!

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Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

See the multiple stories about women needing to be airlifted out of Idaho to obtain life saving abortions.
When you are septic or bleeding out with an unviable fetus, you don't have time for a road trip.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

You're right Christian morality had just as little effect on western values as Greco-Roman law and philosophy did on our legal system

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women's voted for this. White women specifically. It was more important to them to align themselves with white supremacy, hunt immigrants, and subjugate Black people than it was to protect the rule of law and their own rights. Why are people not more upset? I'm not going to continue twisting myself into knots trying to protect you morons from the consequences of your moronic choices. Clearly, we need to suffer for a bit.

Please stop blaming women. Men voted for Trump in greater numbers. But let's overall stop blaming and dividing each other- thats how tyranny wins.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

And plenty of people would ban abortion in all states if they could get away with it. Don’t be dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

You're right Christian morality had just as little effect on western values as Greco-Roman law and philosophy did on our legal system

Right, our moral values are influenced by Christianity and other religions , but we now follow the laws of the United States Constitution, not the laws of the Roman Empire or the Bible.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

And plenty of people would ban abortion in all states if they could get away with it. Don’t be dumb.

Fortunately in the US we have a less powerful federal government and states can decide based on democratically elected legislators. I support abortion in some cases but the ridiculous posturing of the pro-choice has proved counterproductive and now here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Why do Christians not understand that the Bible informs your personal moral framework. It means nothing more to me than any other book of fiction. Quoting it as some kind of governing authority again means nothing to me. It does not govern our laws. It does not govern the behavior of anyone other than fellow followers of your religion. Stop referencing the Bible or the intentions of your God in discussions of law and rights. Your religion does not govern any of this.

You're right Christian morality had just as little effect on western values as Greco-Roman law and philosophy did on our legal system

Right, our moral values are influenced by Christianity and other religions , but we now follow the laws of the United States Constitution, not the laws of the Roman Empire or the Bible.

+1 and if we followed archaic Biblical rules/traditions, women would not have the right to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, women have to travel to another state to abort their babies. A true dystopia.

See the multiple stories about women needing to be airlifted out of Idaho to obtain life saving abortions.
When you are septic or bleeding out with an unviable fetus, you don't have time for a road trip.

Debunked as fake news that was intentionally exaggerated to be misleading.

https://www.ag.idaho.gov/newsroom/idaho-defends-pro-life-law-at-9th-circuit-dispels-airlifting-narrative/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/nov/11/idaho-challenges-abortion-airlift-claims/

Idaho law allows abortion to prevent the pregnant patient’s death.

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Anonymous wrote:States are literally forcing women to give birth to children of their rapist! Why are people not more upset about this. Now women in the military are also being forced to give birth if they are raped. Wtf
https://www.ms.now/news/abortion-ban-veterans-affairs-va

It continues to surprise me that women are not more upset about the erosion of abortion rights.

Maybe because we have a party that is allowing men into our bathrooms and women’s sports teams.

? Is that really worth losing your the rights to your body?

Women still have the rights to their body.
Believe it nor not, there are many women who would rather run on their school’s track team than have abortions.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of women who will need abortion care in their lives. Miscarriages are abortions, you know. And you are vastly overestimating the number of trans people if you think there will be no spots left for non trans people on the track team.

You are vastly underestimating how painful a statement that is to women who have suffered a miscarriage. Cruel.

I’ve suffered a miscarriage in the second trimester. I also had an abortion.

Miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy. Elective abortion is the same thing, but planned. Nature - or depending on your perspective, God - is the biggest abortionist of all. There are far more spontaneous abortions than elective abortions every year, as 25% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many pregnancies miscarry before the woman ever knows she is pregnant.

Why does anyone love God when God kills so very many babies, pray tell?

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion. You would think if God hated abortion, He might have spent a sentence or two condemning what was already a known practice of humankind back in the times that the books of the Bible were being written by men to control others.

It’s all a sickening political tool devised to inflame the voting base and control women.

I’m a new poster. I offer this not from a place of judgment or condemnation but because I think it is important to look head on at the moral issues surrounding abortion given that the stakes are high.

While, to the best of my knowledge, you are correct that the Bible does not contain a verse expressly discussing abortion qua abortion, it is also the case that one of the dominant themes of the Bible is that obedience to God means repudiating the practices of child sacrifice that were common place in the Ancient Near East. The question, then, is whether the same principle that led to the condemnation of those practices is broad enough to reach abortion writ large. In my judgment, early Christian believers probably would have said “yes.” The Didache is one of the earliest Christian writings not found in the Bible, and it dates back to somewhere between 50 and 120 AD suggesting that it may well reflect the religious views of contemporaries of Jesus. It expressly says “you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.” In my judgment, this conclusion makes sense and aligns with both the thrust of scripture as I understand it and a visceral intuition that I have that the voluntary termination of human life is almost always wrong.

I am not here to judge or condemn you, but it sounds like you’ve got complicated feelings towards God. I’d urge you to spend a little uncomplicated time in prayer. God is love, and there’s no sin too big for Him to forgive. Good luck and God bless you. I’m rooting for you.

Stuff your rooting up your stupid anus, poster.

I have a wonderful relationship with God because I’m not a FAKE Christian like you are.

God loves me and doesn’t care whether I have one abortion or two dozen abortions. BECAUSE ABORTION IS NOT A SIN, IT IS HEALTHCARE YOU STUPID GIT.

You’re an a******. If anyone on this thread is an anti Christ, it’s YOU.

No, it would be me, because I’m a NP posting here as an atheist who is critical of the OPs hysteria and sensationalist claims.

If OP wants to experience living in a religious fundamentalist society, there are plenty that she could visit, but not in North America.