Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly when a school like Penn gets 73,000 applications (last year)…to say they are choosing the SEC over Ivy Legaue…when that’s more applications then nearly every SEC school.

73K isn’t a lot in the grand scheme of things. Plus how many of those apps are international and first and second gen Americans with foreign born parents?

How many real Americans is an immigrant worth in your math?

A bachelor’s degree costs upwards of $400,000. We are not blowing such a stunning sum of our hard-earned money so our kids can spend 4 years on a campus full of foreigners and cheaters. Our kids are charismatic high achievers and they couldn’t care less about U.S. News rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

Duke and Vandy are test OPTIONAL. They are not competing for the same kids, some. But they get the kids that can’t post the scores required by the Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s silly when a school like Penn gets 73,000 applications (last year)…to say they are choosing the SEC over Ivy Legaue…when that’s more applications then nearly every SEC school.

73K isn’t a lot in the grand scheme of things. Plus how many of those apps are international and first and second gen Americans with foreign born parents?

How many real Americans is an immigrant worth in your math?

A bachelor’s degree costs upwards of $400,000. We are not blowing such a stunning sum of our hard-earned money so our kids can spend 4 years on a campus full of foreigners and cheaters. Our kids are charismatic high achievers and they couldn’t care less about U.S. News rankings.

I don't care about rankings either, but anyone ranting about how they don't want their charismatic kids spending time with foreigners sounds like a nut.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

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Duke and Vanderbilt are drawing far more interest from politically moderate/conservative and Jewish families wanting to avoid the left-wing activism pervasive at Ivy League schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

How did UF and UGA become the best?

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Three quarters of the kids at Duke, Vandy and Rice would not be admitted to top Ivies, especially with the difference in testing requirements. All great schools, but the H/Y/P/M/S still a tier above.

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Anonymous wrote:Three quarters of the kids at Duke, Vandy and Rice would not be admitted to top Ivies, especially with the difference in testing requirements. All great schools, but the H/Y/P/M/S still a tier above.

Other ivies that are not TO also.

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Completely ridiculous headline. The article did not cite one single instance of a student choosing an SEC school over an Ivy either anecdotally or based on data. No one is choosing South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee or Alabama over an Ivy. Sometimes (rarely) UT Austin, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech will get those students, but even that is rare due to the generous aid packages Ivies can offer to relatively high income families. Southern schools have become more popular, sure, and are taking students away from the mid-tier privates and some state schools, but they are not displacing the Ivy+ or top flagships.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely ridiculous headline. The article did not cite one single instance of a student choosing an SEC school over an Ivy either anecdotally or based on data. No one is choosing South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee or Alabama over an Ivy. Sometimes (rarely) UT Austin, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech will get those students, but even that is rare due to the generous aid packages Ivies can offer to relatively high income families. Southern schools have become more popular, sure, and are taking students away from the mid-tier privates and some state schools, but they are not displacing the Ivy+ or top flagships.

Nice anecdotes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

Duke and Vandy are test OPTIONAL. They are not competing for the same kids, some. But they get the kids that can’t post the scores required by the Ivies.

this was the first application year any of the Ivies were test required. Try again`

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s silly when a school like Penn gets 73,000 applications (last year)…to say they are choosing the SEC over Ivy Legaue…when that’s more applications then nearly every SEC school.

73K isn’t a lot in the grand scheme of things. Plus how many of those apps are international and first and second gen Americans with foreign born parents?

How many real Americans is an immigrant worth in your math?

Both are people equally worthy of respect. Although racist and xenophobic Americans try my patience on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Three quarters of the kids at Duke, Vandy and Rice would not be admitted to top Ivies, especially with the difference in testing requirements. All great schools, but the H/Y/P/M/S still a tier above.

MIT remains a tier above.

But there really isn't much difference among students going to HYPS vs other top schools. Except the hooks. Not everyone can be FGLI or the child of a billionaire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

UConn, Penn State, SUNY, Rutgers.
Cornell is quasi public

Massachusetts is weak

But faced with option of OOS, privates are competitive.