Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

lol Oh my. This is the best argument to send your kids south folks.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

The kids’ sense/awareness of the bigger world outside their childhood state/region is also much bigger now, thanks to the internet. 30-40 years ago, it was not the norm for most people to look too far beyond the state flagships and regional state U’s. When I got into my private New England college back the, only 2-3 people in our social circle/community knew anything about it.The local valedictorians usually opted for the state flagship or an in-state private back then.

Where did you go to HS?

This wasn’t true for my HS in the NE. Most of our top 10-15% kids went OOS/T20.

Non-feeder Private school outside the Northeast.

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The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

DCUM, no shock, skews heavily towards people who live in the DMV, probably followed by NYC. Most aren't transplants...we have lived in the North all along.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

lol

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Anonymous wrote:Back in my day, the quintessential college experience was associated with snow and New England. I remember visiting a friend who attended ASU and thinking it was like a resort and somewhat unserious. The dorm was a former motel and the rooms had sliding glass doors that opened to a pool area.

This totally depends on where you are from. I’m 53 and from a southern state and no one viewed being in a snowy place up north as the quintessential college experience. In fact most people wanted to go further south for college.

DCUM skews heavily towards northern transplants and they can’t really conceive that there are huge swaths of the country who have a much different take on what a desirable lifestyle is.

My family is in Southern California. My kids had very little idea what a winter in New England would be like. But they did know that going to HYP would be a lifetime gift even if winter was transiently painful. Turned out that they loved the east coast, winter and all.

My advice to kids thinking about this (who actually realistically have the option): optimize for 40 years, not 4.

I find my own advice, however, somewhat theoretical. For each of the application cycles that my kids went through, at the private they attended, I don’t think there was a single kid who really viewed an HYP seat as exchangeable with anything but Stanford.

The kids’ sense/awareness of the bigger world outside their childhood state/region is also much bigger now, thanks to the internet. 30-40 years ago, it was not the norm for most people to look too far beyond the state flagships and regional state U’s. When I got into my private New England college back the, only 2-3 people in our social circle/community knew anything about it.The local valedictorians usually opted for the state flagship or an in-state private back then.

This was a big influence on my DS going from the West Coast to the East Coast.

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

I don't think so, unless people are willing to now claim that schools like Vanderbilt and Duke are no different than any northern school. 15.2% of undergrads are international students at Vanderbilt...Duke is like 18%. Harvard undergrad is 15% international...Princeton 14%.

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

So very few of the intelligent people in a generation that’s much more diverse (btw black people are more legacy American than half you arrived off the boat poor Italian shmucks), queer, and atheist.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Google cherry picking before you use the term incorrectly. It’s common knowledge the top 1% is overrepresented at Ivies

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/surprise-the-1-is-overrepresented-in-the-ivy-league

Sure but that wasn’t the original claim. This is true of all top schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Harvard does. In fact, here is a well-sourced scholarly text written by a Harvard alum on this exact topic. Maybe it’s on sale for Black Friday. You should educate yourself!

https://www.amazon.com/Poison-Ivy-Elite-Colleges-Divide/dp/1620976951

You don’t need this book. There’s a New York Times article with updated data on the matter. Harvard is not ranked in the top 38 universities that have more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60%.

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

I don't think so, unless people are willing to now claim that schools like Vanderbilt and Duke are no different than any northern school. 15.2% of undergrads are international students at Vanderbilt...Duke is like 18%. Harvard undergrad is 15% international...Princeton 14%.

I don’t care if they’re technically international students or not — the Ivies, Hopkins and UChicago felt more like 80 to 90% Asian/Indian. Who in the heck wants that ruthless tiger cub, scammers and cheaters atmosphere for their kids. While also getting tormented by professors for their white privilege. And paying 300k to 400k USD for the privilege! No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

I don't think so, unless people are willing to now claim that schools like Vanderbilt and Duke are no different than any northern school. 15.2% of undergrads are international students at Vanderbilt...Duke is like 18%. Harvard undergrad is 15% international...Princeton 14%.

I don’t care if they’re technically international students or not — the Ivies, Hopkins and UChicago felt more like 80 to 90% Asian/Indian. Who in the heck wants that ruthless tiger cub, scammers and cheaters atmosphere for their kids. While also getting tormented by professors for their white privilege. And paying 300k to 400k USD for the privilege! No thanks.

I mean, that's demonstrably not true because you see the demographic data and none of those schools are remotely close to 80% to 90% Asian (which includes Indian BTW...because India is in Asia).

Even on that metric, I guess you are crossing Vanderbilt off your list because it also is now much more Asian. 20% of the most recent class which is basically the same as U Chicago and Dartmouth and other top schools. I guess Ga Tech is also off your list. Duke is definitely off your list at 29% Asian.

Penn State is around 7% compared to 16% at UVA and 13% at UNC and 10% at UGA. So, I guess now Penn State is the place for you?

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

I don't think so, unless people are willing to now claim that schools like Vanderbilt and Duke are no different than any northern school. 15.2% of undergrads are international students at Vanderbilt...Duke is like 18%. Harvard undergrad is 15% international...Princeton 14%.

I don’t care if they’re technically international students or not — the Ivies, Hopkins and UChicago felt more like 80 to 90% Asian/Indian. Who in the heck wants that ruthless tiger cub, scammers and cheaters atmosphere for their kids. While also getting tormented by professors for their white privilege. And paying 300k to 400k USD for the privilege! No thanks.

Have you considered you’re just racist?

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

I don't think so, unless people are willing to now claim that schools like Vanderbilt and Duke are no different than any northern school. 15.2% of undergrads are international students at Vanderbilt...Duke is like 18%. Harvard undergrad is 15% international...Princeton 14%.

I don’t care if they’re technically international students or not — the Ivies, Hopkins and UChicago felt more like 80 to 90% Asian/Indian. Who in the heck wants that ruthless tiger cub, scammers and cheaters atmosphere for their kids. While also getting tormented by professors for their white privilege. And paying 300k to 400k USD for the privilege! No thanks.

I mean, that's demonstrably not true because you see the demographic data and none of those schools are remotely close to 80% to 90% Asian (which includes Indian BTW...because India is in Asia).

Even on that metric, I guess you are crossing Vanderbilt off your list because it also is now much more Asian. 20% of the most recent class which is basically the same as U Chicago and Dartmouth and other top schools. I guess Ga Tech is also off your list. Duke is definitely off your list at 29% Asian.

Penn State is around 7% compared to 16% at UVA and 13% at UNC and 10% at UGA. So, I guess now Penn State is the place for you?

Emory’s out as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

I don't think so, unless people are willing to now claim that schools like Vanderbilt and Duke are no different than any northern school. 15.2% of undergrads are international students at Vanderbilt...Duke is like 18%. Harvard undergrad is 15% international...Princeton 14%.

I don’t care if they’re technically international students or not — the Ivies, Hopkins and UChicago felt more like 80 to 90% Asian/Indian. Who in the heck wants that ruthless tiger cub, scammers and cheaters atmosphere for their kids. While also getting tormented by professors for their white privilege. And paying 300k to 400k USD for the privilege! No thanks.

Mind you folks, these are the same people who silence and attempt to shut up black people when they say they want a familiar face around and call HBCUs exclusionary. Their fear of Asian people is always something “different.”