Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

Rutgers New Brunswick applications have nearly doubled since going to the common app. If some students in the NE are choosing southern ones instead, Rutgers has plenty of others to admit, with an admission rate that has fallen from the mid-60s to the low 40s. If anything, Rutgers is similar to UGA, Auburn, Florida and University of South Carolina as publics that students are turning towards given the increasing difficulty of getting in UC, Michigan, UVA and UNC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

UConn, Penn State, SUNY, Rutgers.
Cornell is quasi public

Massachusetts is weak

But faced with option of OOS, privates are competitive.

UMass is ranked 64…much higher than South Carolina, TN and Auburn which are all 102 or higher.

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Anonymous wrote:Social media influence.

I can only speak for myself but it’s stunning how clueless we were about the rest of the country in the 80s and 90s. Social media and YouTube has made kids hyper aware of these colleges and regions before a campus tour. To me as a dumb propagandized high schooler in the 80s, the south seemed a world away, backwater, full of dumb and slow hicks. To kids now, the south is booming and fun, students look happy and attractive, academic programs are world class, merit scholarships can be life changing, and you get sunny weather instead of the cold, snow and grey skies.

What is with parents talking about the attractiveness of students?

World class academics? Really. Trump won with students at Alabama. Proof enough it’s not the place for serious students.

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Literally no one is doing this. People are just applying to big southern or big state schools because they are easier to get into than Harvard or Princeton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Yale is suffering

But are kids choosing these schools over, say, BU? Sure.

Do you have the numbers? I tend to doubt it

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Duke checks all the boxes. For class of 2029, Duke received over 60k applications. Top 5 academics, amazing campus, great weather. Top sports, and one of the best alumni networks.

My kid was on a prospective student call with Duke freshman this past week. They said every one of them mentioned one thing over and over again: burnout.

Sorry, but spending $400k on an Undergrad degree and going in knowing my kid is going to be grinding for 4 years isn't appealing to me, or them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally no one is doing this. People are just applying to big southern or big state schools because they are easier to get into than Harvard or Princeton.

And you don’t think there are 100 other school’s students consider in between the two and you can’t imagine someone trading a T60-80 for sun, fun and merit at a T80-100?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Duke checks all the boxes. For class of 2029, Duke received over 60k applications. Top 5 academics, amazing campus, great weather. Top sports, and one of the best alumni networks.

I have some different boxes. You're saying Duke checks those too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

Rutgers New Brunswick applications have nearly doubled since going to the common app. If some students in the NE are choosing southern ones instead, Rutgers has plenty of others to admit, with an admission rate that has fallen from the mid-60s to the low 40s. If anything, Rutgers is similar to UGA, Auburn, Florida and University of South Carolina as publics that students are turning towards given the increasing difficulty of getting in UC, Michigan, UVA and UNC.

Why are you spamming application numbers? Nobody cares. It’s mostly visa and international applicants. Same reason Columbia wants to double the size of their college. So they can fill campus with Chinese and Indian students.

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Anonymous wrote:How many more of these headlines do we need? It seems like the same story keeps getting recycled over and over.

It’s application season and this trend is getting clicks. This random tweet has millions of impressions.

Lol NY Post is trash rag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

Duke and Vandy are test OPTIONAL. They are not competing for the same kids, some. But they get the kids that can’t post the scores required by the Ivies.

this was the first application year any of the Ivies were test required. Try again`

Last year was.

[Anonymous]

The tours were took in the spring of a few T20s it seemed like Caucasian American kids were a small minority of the overall student body. Indian and Asian were the clear majority, then Jewish, Hispanic, Arabic, and Black American and Nigerian kids. It felt like a UN summit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many more of these headlines do we need? It seems like the same story keeps getting recycled over and over.

It’s application season and this trend is getting clicks. This random tweet has millions of impressions.

Lol NY Post is trash rag

The original source was actually a British publication. Cope harder next time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally no one is doing this. People are just applying to big southern or big state schools because they are easier to get into than Harvard or Princeton.

Lol. I can tell you didn’t deep think this. What the heck though, It’s your narrative and you are going with it. Cool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many more of these headlines do we need? It seems like the same story keeps getting recycled over and over.

It’s application season and this trend is getting clicks. This random tweet has millions of impressions.

Lol NY Post is trash rag

The original source was actually a British publication. Cope harder next time

The Times is British trash - both are owned by Murdoch and push stupid RW narratives