Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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The racist subtext of this thread is awful. Has it entered the minds of people complaining that there are too many of a certain kind (strivers, immigrants) at certain schools that those kids are there because they (or their parents) learned from and even emulated white classmates, teachers, mentors, colleagues and neighbors who attended those schools?

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Anonymous wrote:The racist subtext of this thread is awful. Has it entered the minds of people complaining that there are too many of a certain kind (strivers, immigrants) at certain schools that those kids are there because they (or their parents) learned from and even emulated white classmates, teachers, mentors, colleagues and neighbors who attended those schools?

Unfortunately for the racists...it's just going to get worse at all the selective SEC schools. UGA, UF, UT Austin, Vanderbilt, et al and then similar with the selective ACC schools UNC, UVA, Duke, Ga Tech, et al...all will become more Asian, because they have the highest grades, the highest test scores...they have cities and industries that are attracting Asian workers, so they are all in-state.

Thanks to the Supreme Court, you can't look at race at all.

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Anonymous wrote:The racist subtext of this thread is awful. Has it entered the minds of people complaining that there are too many of a certain kind (strivers, immigrants) at certain schools that those kids are there because they (or their parents) learned from and even emulated white classmates, teachers, mentors, colleagues and neighbors who attended those schools?

Unfortunately for the racists...it's just going to get worse at all the selective SEC schools. UGA, UF, UT Austin, Vanderbilt, et al and then similar with the selective ACC schools UNC, UVA, Duke, Ga Tech, et al...all will become more Asian, because they have the highest grades, the highest test scores...they have cities and industries that are attracting Asian workers, so they are all in-state.

Thanks to the Supreme Court, you can't look at race at all.

We shouldn’t take this as a given. It’s pretty worrying if any one demographic is dominating in a certain national procedure. There’s clearly something going one and we need to be careful rather than take it as a fact that Asian people are just better.

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So you go to a southern university because you don't like the harsh winters of New England. Then after graduation you are offered a job in Detroit, a city that is shedding its rough past and reinventing itself. "Oh, no, I only want a job in a city where I can wear shorts and t-shirt all year round." ???

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Anonymous wrote:So you go to a southern university because you don't like the harsh winters of New England. Then after graduation you are offered a job in Detroit, a city that is shedding its rough past and reinventing itself. "Oh, no, I only want a job in a city where I can wear shorts and t-shirt all year round." ???

lol. Nobody wants a job in Detroit. After graduation the rich kids are going to Nashville, the Mountain West, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Carolina and the coasts with their college network.

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Anonymous wrote:So you go to a southern university because you don't like the harsh winters of New England. Then after graduation you are offered a job in Detroit, a city that is shedding its rough past and reinventing itself. "Oh, no, I only want a job in a city where I can wear shorts and t-shirt all year round." ???

lol. Nobody wants a job in Detroit. After graduation the rich kids are going to Nashville, the Mountain West, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Carolina and the coasts with their college network.

Ton of kids in engineering have to go to crap locations after college for a job. You don’t decide where your job is.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Harvard does. In fact, here is a well-sourced scholarly text written by a Harvard alum on this exact topic. Maybe it’s on sale for Black Friday. You should educate yourself!

https://www.amazon.com/Poison-Ivy-Elite-Colleges-Divide/dp/1620976951

You don’t need this book. There’s a New York Times article with updated data on the matter. Harvard is not ranked in the top 38 universities that have more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60%.

Why? You might learn something. Harvard is dominated by the top 1% and there is no way you can spin it to suggest otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Google cherry picking before you use the term incorrectly. It’s common knowledge the top 1% is overrepresented at Ivies

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/surprise-the-1-is-overrepresented-in-the-ivy-league

Sure but that wasn’t the original claim. This is true of all top schools.

Correct. So stop with your bullshit that Ivies are accessible for normal people. They’re not. The free tuition still is bullshit without admitting more of those kids which they can’t, when they STILL fill the class with legacy, rich athletes, development cases, celebrity VIP’s etc

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Harvard does. In fact, here is a well-sourced scholarly text written by a Harvard alum on this exact topic. Maybe it’s on sale for Black Friday. You should educate yourself!

https://www.amazon.com/Poison-Ivy-Elite-Colleges-Divide/dp/1620976951

You don’t need this book. There’s a New York Times article with updated data on the matter. Harvard is not ranked in the top 38 universities that have more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60%.

Why? You might learn something. Harvard is dominated by the top 1% and there is no way you can spin it to suggest otherwise.

People cling to college “data” as if it’s gospel when it’s proven to be all fake. The colleges are lying, the applicants are lying, US News rankings are fraud. It’s all bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:So you go to a southern university because you don't like the harsh winters of New England. Then after graduation you are offered a job in Detroit, a city that is shedding its rough past and reinventing itself. "Oh, no, I only want a job in a city where I can wear shorts and t-shirt all year round." ???

lol. Nobody wants a job in Detroit. After graduation the rich kids are going to Nashville, the Mountain West, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Carolina and the coasts with their college network.

Bwahahs... it's actually the opposite of this. Those places don't pay the salaries other places do. No one is going to Georgia or whatever you have decided the Mountain West is!

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Harvard does. In fact, here is a well-sourced scholarly text written by a Harvard alum on this exact topic. Maybe it’s on sale for Black Friday. You should educate yourself!

https://www.amazon.com/Poison-Ivy-Elite-Colleges-Divide/dp/1620976951

You don’t need this book. There’s a New York Times article with updated data on the matter. Harvard is not ranked in the top 38 universities that have more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60%.

Where is your cite that the top 1% isn’t overrepresented at Harvard? I’ll be waiting.

DP

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Anonymous wrote:So you go to a southern university because you don't like the harsh winters of New England. Then after graduation you are offered a job in Detroit, a city that is shedding its rough past and reinventing itself. "Oh, no, I only want a job in a city where I can wear shorts and t-shirt all year round." ???

lol. Nobody wants a job in Detroit. After graduation the rich kids are going to Nashville, the Mountain West, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Carolina and the coasts with their college network.

Bwahahs... it's actually the opposite of this. Those places don't pay the salaries other places do. No one is going to Georgia or whatever you have decided the Mountain West is!

Nah the rust belt is dead, you idiot. All the hot new engineering jobs are in the sun belt. Have fun in Siberia lol

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t be too much about sunshine- their own graph shows students pouring out in hordes from Texas and California

Too hard to get in UT and AM

Uh…no not at all if you’re top of the class- as suggested tbt this article that students are going from ivy->SEC. The top 6% automatically get into Ut- which has a 30% acceptance rate. Top 10% automatically get into A&M and has a 60% acceptance rate. It isn’t difficult getting into these schools if you’re ivy material.

You don’t get it. Not everyone cares about ivies. Kids in the south want a top flagship or southern ivy

No I do get it- I’m from Texas! This isn’t an abstract idea. Pretty much anyone with a pulse gets into A&M. Most kids who were progressive were UT Austin or bust and left the state.

Not true. A&M rejects 40% of their applicants and its ranking is pretty decent for publics. Not a bad school hey any objective measure. Of course, the freaks on this thread are anything but objective.

>50% admit rate is safety school

Typical Ivy or bust mindset. These people covet exclusivity above all. They don’t know how to actually evaluate a product (be it a purse or a car or an education) on its merits, and they don’t care to know.

Or maybe their kids are just at a higher academic profile than yours? I don’t know a lot of 1500+/4.0 kids seriously considering a school that accepts 60% of applicants.

PP. My kids aren’t quite old enough to navigate this themselves yet, but I was a 1500+/4.0 kid who never considered an Ivy. I considered schools that were going to give me a full ride. Waste your money if you want to, but some of us aren’t complete suckers and brand whores.

Not all families have a budget constraint.

One doesn’t necessarily need a budget constraint to not light money on fire or flush it down the toilet. Maybe you do?

Well…yeah you do. You think someone dropping $30k on a Birken bag gives a shit what college costs?

You think even the average BigLaw partner really cares all that much about Harvard college tuition when they probably have already been spending nearly that every year already for private school?

You’re right, THIS is what the Ivies want. Don’t fall for their bullshit, the free tuition is for a handful of students when they educate more from the top 1% than the bottom 60%

Harvard doesn’t. Columbia doesn’t. Cornell doesn’t…this seems like cherry picking. The top colleges who take from the top 1% are…Washington University in St. Louis, Colorado College, W&L, Colby, Trinity, Bucknell, Colgate, Kenyon, Middlebury, and Tufts. None of the top public or private schools are ranked well for social mobility- UT Austin is at 1430 and Alabama is ranked 1517

Harvard does. In fact, here is a well-sourced scholarly text written by a Harvard alum on this exact topic. Maybe it’s on sale for Black Friday. You should educate yourself!

https://www.amazon.com/Poison-Ivy-Elite-Colleges-Divide/dp/1620976951

You don’t need this book. There’s a New York Times article with updated data on the matter. Harvard is not ranked in the top 38 universities that have more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60%.

Why? You might learn something. Harvard is dominated by the top 1% and there is no way you can spin it to suggest otherwise.

People cling to college “data” as if it’s gospel when it’s proven to be all fake. The colleges are lying, the applicants are lying, US News rankings are fraud. It’s all bullshit.

Let me guess, you also think the moon landing was fake? Typical response when you’re backed into a corner. It’s all a conspiracy! LOL

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Anonymous wrote:So you go to a southern university because you don't like the harsh winters of New England. Then after graduation you are offered a job in Detroit, a city that is shedding its rough past and reinventing itself. "Oh, no, I only want a job in a city where I can wear shorts and t-shirt all year round." ???

Exactly. You get a job at Boeing or Volvo or BMW in South Carolina and live a better life than your pea brain could ever imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:The subtext is smart, wealthy, white, Christian, legacy American kids are trying to avoid the foreign hoards who’ve taken over schools in the north.

No, those kids still want T20.

The kids who aren't gunning for T20 are looking for cheaper, less competitive options, as they always have.