Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban split

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Anonymous wrote:For many years into her career I never sensed any true warmth in Nicole Kidman. She can be charming and engaging but true warmth? Not so sure. If you look at older pictures of her she often has a striking, aggressive stare....and she was often not smiling. I think there is an intensity there that she covers over and I actually wonder if this is probably more of who she is. I've also always wondered about her desire to play psychopathic characters, she's played a few. I may get laughed off the board, but I don't think she is quite right. And the announcement coming on a Monday versus a Friday as well as the statement that she did not want this and he left her suggests she may be feeling vindictive.

Right - the fact that she abandoned the children she adopted shows this.

She didn’t abandon them at all. They belong to a creepy cult that taught them from the day they were born that they had to shun anyone who left the cult. That’s very different and heartbreaking.

They separated in 2001, and their children were still very young at the time. Years later, she publicly stated they’d chosen not to live with her, but they were under age 10 at the time of the divorce.

This particular cult is known for threatening, harassing, and harming people who leave. We will never know what was going on behind the scenes. Their father likely poisoned them against her when she left, and that’s a powerful influence. I don’t know Nicole Kidman and, unlike a lot of people on this thread, I don’t feel like I can judge her as a parent. But I’ve always thought that situation with her other kids was not her doing.

So she willingly and knowingly brought those kids into a cult and then walked away without so much as a fight. She didn’t even try.

I never thought she even wanted those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:For many years into her career I never sensed any true warmth in Nicole Kidman. She can be charming and engaging but true warmth? Not so sure. If you look at older pictures of her she often has a striking, aggressive stare....and she was often not smiling. I think there is an intensity there that she covers over and I actually wonder if this is probably more of who she is. I've also always wondered about her desire to play psychopathic characters, she's played a few. I may get laughed off the board, but I don't think she is quite right. And the announcement coming on a Monday versus a Friday as well as the statement that she did not want this and he left her suggests she may be feeling vindictive.

Right - the fact that she abandoned the children she adopted shows this.

She didn’t abandon them at all. They belong to a creepy cult that taught them from the day they were born that they had to shun anyone who left the cult. That’s very different and heartbreaking.

They separated in 2001, and their children were still very young at the time. Years later, she publicly stated they’d chosen not to live with her, but they were under age 10 at the time of the divorce.

This particular cult is known for threatening, harassing, and harming people who leave. We will never know what was going on behind the scenes. Their father likely poisoned them against her when she left, and that’s a powerful influence. I don’t know Nicole Kidman and, unlike a lot of people on this thread, I don’t feel like I can judge her as a parent. But I’ve always thought that situation with her other kids was not her doing.

So she willingly and knowingly brought those kids into a cult and then walked away without so much as a fight. She didn’t even try.

I never thought she even wanted those kids.

It's always seemed weird to me, that she was seemingly able to walk away from being their mother. As PP noted, would she do that with her two girls with Urban?

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Anonymous wrote:It's sad. It's sad when any married couple splits, especially one with children.

Men are not subject to the same criticism, and gaily go about their careers while their wives raise the kids and mommy-track or stay home.

That doesn't mean the men end up with happy home lives. I read several articles about Robert Redford's career after his death. They mentioned that he and his first wife made a joint decision to make Utah their home and raise their kids there, not in Hollywood. But Redford said that the marriage fell apart because he was rarely home.

I don't think there are a heck of lot of men happily married to their first wives in Hollywood.

Samuel L Jackson, Courtney Vance, Matthew Broderick, Kevin Bacon, Matthew Mcconelhay )sic) are a few.

DP. But you’ve literally named a few of the many, many actors and musicians of that we know for the last three decades who aren’t divorced yet. I think that was the PP‘s point. We can literally list them off. they exist, but they don’t seem to be terribly common.

For those five or six you named, I could easily list 10x that many who’ve divorced. Some more than once.

Either way, some of these comments are harsh. Nicole and Keith were together over 20 years. She got him through a terrible time when he relapsed and went into rehab early in their relationship which I have a lot of respect for - it would’ve been very easy for her to walk at that point.

I also think people are being kind of harsh about her projects. Big little lies is one of the most successful and beloved shows of the past 15 years. I personally loved the undoing and the perfect couple. Were they critically acclaimed masterpieces? No but they were really bingeable which is what most people were looking for in the last few years.

And she just wrapped practical magic 2. Who knows if that will be any good, but it just shows that she has some beloved films that people remember from decades ago that they want to revisit.

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Wow. So many people on here being judgmental of Nicole!

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Anonymous wrote:For many years into her career I never sensed any true warmth in Nicole Kidman. She can be charming and engaging but true warmth? Not so sure. If you look at older pictures of her she often has a striking, aggressive stare....and she was often not smiling. I think there is an intensity there that she covers over and I actually wonder if this is probably more of who she is. I've also always wondered about her desire to play psychopathic characters, she's played a few. I may get laughed off the board, but I don't think she is quite right. And the announcement coming on a Monday versus a Friday as well as the statement that she did not want this and he left her suggests she may be feeling vindictive.

Right - the fact that she abandoned the children she adopted shows this.

She didn’t abandon them at all. They belong to a creepy cult that taught them from the day they were born that they had to shun anyone who left the cult. That’s very different and heartbreaking.

They separated in 2001, and their children were still very young at the time. Years later, she publicly stated they’d chosen not to live with her, but they were under age 10 at the time of the divorce.

This particular cult is known for threatening, harassing, and harming people who leave. We will never know what was going on behind the scenes. Their father likely poisoned them against her when she left, and that’s a powerful influence. I don’t know Nicole Kidman and, unlike a lot of people on this thread, I don’t feel like I can judge her as a parent. But I’ve always thought that situation with her other kids was not her doing.

So she willingly and knowingly brought those kids into a cult and then walked away without so much as a fight. She didn’t even try.

I never thought she even wanted those kids.

It's always seemed weird to me, that she was seemingly able to walk away from being their mother. As PP noted, would she do that with her two girls with Urban?

She may have seen them regularly when they were small (we don't know) but once they were teenagers, and fully immersed in the cult, they rejected her.
You can't force teenagers to spend time with you once they've decided they want nothing to do with you. Ask Brad Pitt.

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They both are quite weird. I think it was a marriage of convience.

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I think she's a very complicated person beneath the persona and I think there are probably some unsavory, difficult aspects to her personality. She's probably like a Joan Crawford or a Bette Davis....difficult and lives for being "an actress" and ARTIST. Just an intuition. Additionally, she said she was blindsided with Cruise divorce as well. She uses her PR machine like a pro after decades in the business and she learned it from Cruise and has honed it to top levels ever since. That's in part why she appears stilted and brittle as a pp said. Because part of her is and additionally she is highly controlled and guarded, like actresses were in the days where they were under the studios. It's just looks like a lot of bullsh*t, lots of energy spent being a celebrity but then in interviews scoffs about how she is an artist...can't imagine living with someone this self absorbed. Maybe he just got tired of it or became involved with someone available and real.

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Good article, men have mid life changes as do women and maybe he did get tired of being her supporter and her absences. The pictures are interesting

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/nicole-kidman-keith-urban-split-breakup-reason-80f0rp70c

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Anonymous wrote:For many years into her career I never sensed any true warmth in Nicole Kidman. She can be charming and engaging but true warmth? Not so sure. If you look at older pictures of her she often has a striking, aggressive stare....and she was often not smiling. I think there is an intensity there that she covers over and I actually wonder if this is probably more of who she is. I've also always wondered about her desire to play psychopathic characters, she's played a few. I may get laughed off the board, but I don't think she is quite right. And the announcement coming on a Monday versus a Friday as well as the statement that she did not want this and he left her suggests she may be feeling vindictive.

Right - the fact that she abandoned the children she adopted shows this.

She didn’t abandon them at all. They belong to a creepy cult that taught them from the day they were born that they had to shun anyone who left the cult. That’s very different and heartbreaking.

They separated in 2001, and their children were still very young at the time. Years later, she publicly stated they’d chosen not to live with her, but they were under age 10 at the time of the divorce.

This particular cult is known for threatening, harassing, and harming people who leave. We will never know what was going on behind the scenes. Their father likely poisoned them against her when she left, and that’s a powerful influence. I don’t know Nicole Kidman and, unlike a lot of people on this thread, I don’t feel like I can judge her as a parent. But I’ve always thought that situation with her other kids was not her doing.

So she willingly and knowingly brought those kids into a cult and then walked away without so much as a fight. She didn’t even try.

I never thought she even wanted those kids.

It's always seemed weird to me, that she was seemingly able to walk away from being their mother. As PP noted, would she do that with her two girls with Urban?

She may have seen them regularly when they were small (we don't know) but once they were teenagers, and fully immersed in the cult, they rejected her.
You can't force teenagers to spend time with you once they've decided they want nothing to do with you. Ask Brad Pitt.

There are some indications they have a relationship, just not a close one. Connor was photographed with Keith Urban around the time of the wedding. They're loyal to their father, especially Connor apparently. And why is no one mentioning the fact that Tom cut Siri out of his life, solely because she wasn't being raised as a scientologist. I'm not going to judge anyone trying to navigate a cult that dangerous. If Nicole didn't keep her mouth shut, that would be it as far as their relationship is concerned. She's been very careful, and we absolutely don't know what went on behind the scenes.


from DM: At the time she also described her film Lion - where she plays an adoptive mother - as a 'love letter' to her children.

In the same year, Connor also said: 'I don't care what people say. I know that me and mum are solid. I love her a lot. My family means everything,' he said.

Speaking to MailOnline in 2016, Bella said: 'Of course [we talk], they're my parents,' she says. 'Anyone who says otherwise is full of s**t.

In 2012 she told New Idea: 'I love mom. [Nicole's] my mom. She's great. I see her sometimes and I speak to her,' adding 'we're a very close family. I love all of our family.'

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Anonymous wrote:She doesn’t have a maternal bone in her body.

At least Demi Moore stepped away from Hollywood and took a break to raise her kids for a while.

And her career took a major hit from that decision. Then she was a mess for a while. I would say women like Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts found more of a middle ground, without sacrificing much. Even Angelina Jolie took pretty long breaks between projects.

And?

Good mothers don’t prioritize sustaining A list celeb status over being present for their kids.

Jolie and Roberts aren’t good people imho. They’ve done some pretty crappy things. Bullock seems like a good human being; she hasn’t dumped her kids on hired help to chase her career.

Nicole seems like she has a lot of issues.

Meryl Streep. An A lister still today She rose to the top of her profession and seemed to be a present and involved parent.

Right but she slowed down and got strategic while she was raising her kids. Also, her husband was by all accounts a very present father who took on the "primary" role willingly.

I love to see her with Martin Short, though. It makes me happy that the good people win sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article, men have mid life changes as do women and maybe he did get tired of being her supporter and her absences. The pictures are interesting

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/nicole-kidman-keith-urban-split-breakup-reason-80f0rp70c

Egads, his hair.

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Anonymous wrote:They both are quite weird. I think it was a marriage of convience.

I think maybe they're both just private. She's always struck me as quite reserved. But, I love her acting, which is, I think, the point! That's the part of her life that's public. I'm not really privy to the rest, nor are any of us other than the two of them. It's impossible to judge a marriage from the outside.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article, men have mid life changes as do women and maybe he did get tired of being her supporter and her absences. The pictures are interesting

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/nicole-kidman-keith-urban-split-breakup-reason-80f0rp70c

Egads, his hair.

Yeah, there's no doubt that she's aging better than he is. Which, we all know, is unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he finally coming out?

Someone so famous is gay for 50-plus years and there's not one credible link to another man? Are there even rumors of him with other (famous?) men?

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Anonymous wrote:For many years into her career I never sensed any true warmth in Nicole Kidman. She can be charming and engaging but true warmth? Not so sure. If you look at older pictures of her she often has a striking, aggressive stare....and she was often not smiling. I think there is an intensity there that she covers over and I actually wonder if this is probably more of who she is. I've also always wondered about her desire to play psychopathic characters, she's played a few. I may get laughed off the board, but I don't think she is quite right. And the announcement coming on a Monday versus a Friday as well as the statement that she did not want this and he left her suggests she may be feeling vindictive.

Right - the fact that she abandoned the children she adopted shows this.

She didn’t abandon them at all. They belong to a creepy cult that taught them from the day they were born that they had to shun anyone who left the cult. That’s very different and heartbreaking.

DO. She didn’t go to court and fight for custody, more less visitation. Yeah, she abandoned them and used the religion as an excuse to a judge would have granted visitation and she could have nurtured her relationship regardless of Scientology. And if Tom or Scientology had interfered with that relationship, a judge would have given her custody. She didn’t even try.

This always did seem odd. Katie Holmes sure managed to keep her kid with Tom Cruise.

Katie Holmes learned everything from Nicole - and did absolutely everything differently to avoid the same result. KH blindsided TC with the divorce, had all her logistics lined up and literally fled in the middle of the night with her daughter. Completely different.