What SHOULD the top 50-75 colleges do in their marketing to attract more men to attend to improve gender ratios?

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

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I honestly don’t think they can or should to anything. Those men who can compete with women, should. Those who can’t, should not. College is not for dating, it is for education. Stand back and let the deserving get their education.

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

I'll be sure and let my boys who attend big universities - and who both wrote beautiful essays, AND have serious girlfriends - know what some rando on the internet is blathering about.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ok with your daughter losing a spot at these schools altogether in the interest of allowing more dateable young men in?

Not the OP but my DD said she doesn't care if she goes to a school ranked #55 versus #38 as long as there's a great student experience - which includes a normal and healthy male/female ratio. She doesn't want to go to college with 60-65% female population pining after the same five guys who get all the attention. She wants there to be lots of dateable guys and a more chill and less competitive dating atmosphere for women.

DD is high stats and considering the same after her HS experience.

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It's what my DD did last year.

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

I'll be sure and let my boys who attend big universities - and who both wrote beautiful essays, AND have serious girlfriends - know what some rando on the internet is blathering about.

Go ahead. I'm sure those girls are less attractive than most. A lid for every pot they say.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh shut up. There’s a gender imbalance at all colleges not just the top ones.

Actually- not at the top ones (T1-T20)- they get enough qualified males that they can keep their ratios fairly equal.

It becomes a problem T50-60 and below.

Virginia Tech, Penn State, Villanova, RPI, Indiana, NC State, Santa Clara, all have more men than women.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t think they can or should to anything. Those men who can compete with women, should. Those who can’t, should not. College is not for dating, it is for education. Stand back and let the deserving get their education.

This. 100%. It's time to get our daughters focused on a career, not a Mrs. Degree.

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Anonymous wrote:My highly motivated male finds the female dating pool equally disappointing. They are not interested in partiers or those obsessed with social media and the like. They are at a top school, so even there it limits the options.

I think worse than the partier social media obsessed girls are the ones who are so political that they only want to date some combo of far left beliefs with 100% political agreement conformity, and guys that look good on social media.

Teaching your girls that only one cluster of political beliefs and 100% political agreement is a non negotiable will significantly reduce their dating options. There are soooo many wonderful guys that they are missing out on meeting, due to recent polarizing attitudes.

You want your sons and daughters to have a positive dating life, go back to raising them like an 80s or 90s teen.

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I continue to be surprised (and gratified) that my son and his girlfriend are political polar opposites. They respect one another's views and it's probably more interesting to be with someone who challenges them a bit than someone who feels exactly the same way on all the issues. My husband and I are like this too.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for my DD who is a strong candidate for top 75 and wants to be in an intellectually stimulating enviro with lots of impressive straight men who are equally strong to date. What kinds of outreach should the top 75 schools be doing with strong male candidates to make their ratios closer to 50-50 or even 55-45 (and not 60-40 or 65-35 or worse)?

Our straight daughters deserve better than recruited squash players and recruited lax bros who barely passed their academic pre-reads.

What about open houses run by male AOs with video-game themes? More profiles of outstanding male students on brochures (my DD's college brochures she gets in the mail feature majority women)? Webinar or student panels which are at least 50-50 women-men. I was at panels at BU, Pomona, USC and Tufts where the student panels were all female and the tour guides were all women except for one lonely male. That doesn't give a reassuring signal to prospective male students so I can understand why they go elsewhere.

Additional ED3 round with later deadline for males (since they are slower to develop)?

The boys need to sign up for this stuff and get out of bed on Saturday morning. Again, it’s not that they’re being rejected from these panels, they don’t want to participate in the first place.

We toured BC recently. They also had an all female student panel, which was pointed out by my son. They were all lovely and very impressive. But it is hard for a 17 year old boy to picture day to day social life at a school when the woman are talking about their experience on the dance team, shopping on Newbury Street on the weekends and getting boba with friends.

Our panel at BC was very similar. My DS scratched it off his list.

Agree.

Sons had similar experiences at other schools

+1 Cornell.

What’s wrong with the male students on these campuses? Why are they less visible or involved than their female peers? I don’t get it.

The girls can be fairly rigid. They care so much more about who looks good on social media and can be very cutting about it.

Plus, you forget that at the peak of the Me Too movement, it morphed from something desperately needed to girls at colleges making thing up and publicly shaming guys in social media for awkward dates or insufficiently desirable young men daring to ask them out. Seeing this happen to a few guys made the nicer guys hesitate to put themselves out there and ask girls out.

100% this. Now many guys are scared to death to ask out girls, or even to express any interest at all. No doubt the trolls will flame away, but I sincerely don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:She’d be lucky to get a squash bro. Lots of those kids are pretty smart. The ones who want to go a school bc there were good video game themes seem less appealing

I live in Silicon Valley. All the bright, ambitious men here play a lot of video games. It's part of the DNA and you're weird and can't connect to male peers if you don't.

Neither of my sons spend much time with video games. We limited screen time growing up, had bedtime and no laptops/phones in bedrooms.

They played sports and by the time they hit high school, sports and school ate up most of their time.

All male teens in Silicon Valley/SF play tons of video games and also play club and varsity sports. They don't play video games during the week, just on weekends or during days off and it's played socially with other male friends. Video games and tech innovations are celebrated here. It's not one or the other.

All of them? Really? What's with the generalizations all over this thread?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:She’d be lucky to get a squash bro. Lots of those kids are pretty smart. The ones who want to go a school bc there were good video game themes seem less appealing

I married a guy who played video games as a main hobby. He’s a great husband and father. Only plays video games at night. Very attentive to our children.

Same here. He works hard, is an engaged dad and husband, and loves to play video games in his free time. He also runs and works out. Fine with me.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t think they can or should to anything. Those men who can compete with women, should. Those who can’t, should not. College is not for dating, it is for education. Stand back and let the deserving get their education.

This. 100%. It's time to get our daughters focused on a career, not a Mrs. Degree.

Then why are all your daughters so worried about ratios? They should attend one of the many stellar all-female colleges in this country.

But, really, they don't want to do that do they? They're much more worried about dating and an MRS. than they will ever admit to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

I'll be sure and let my boys who attend big universities - and who both wrote beautiful essays, AND have serious girlfriends - know what some rando on the internet is blathering about.

Go ahead. I'm sure those girls are less attractive than most. A lid for every pot they say.

Bless your heart. Sounds like you need all the grace you can get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

I'll be sure and let my boys who attend big universities - and who both wrote beautiful essays, AND have serious girlfriends - know what some rando on the internet is blathering about.

Go ahead. I'm sure those girls are less attractive than most. A lid for every pot they say.

Bless your heart. Sounds like you need all the grace you can get.

The truth hurts, doesn't it lady?

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Anonymous wrote:lol intellectually stimulating and T75 is an oxymoron. Intellectually stimulating stops at about T20. Everything after is a cakewalk to the degree (my kid’s T30 college included)

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T20 is also a stretch. Penn for example is full of careerists who are pretty shallow outside of their field.