What SHOULD the top 50-75 colleges do in their marketing to attract more men to attend to improve gender ratios?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never been attracted to California and hearing about the gamers adds to it. I know it’s probably not fair, but I just think adults playing video games is ick.

That's fine. I personally find M*ssholes playing lacrosse and hockey and wearing backwards baseball hats and chugging beer while watching football ick, but you do you. Different strokes I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:My highly motivated male finds the female dating pool equally disappointing. They are not interested in partiers or those obsessed with social media and the like. They are at a top school, so even there it limits the options.

I think worse than the partier social media obsessed girls are the ones who are so political that they only want to date some combo of far left beliefs with 100% political agreement conformity, and guys that look good on social media.

Teaching your girls that only one cluster of political beliefs and 100% political agreement is a non negotiable will significantly reduce their dating options. There are soooo many wonderful guys that they are missing out on meeting, due to recent polarizing attitudes.

You want your sons and daughters to have a positive dating life, go back to raising them like an 80s or 90s teen.

Dude you need to take a rest from politics.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never been attracted to California and hearing about the gamers adds to it. I know it’s probably not fair, but I just think adults playing video games is ick.

That's fine. I personally find M*ssholes playing lacrosse and hockey and wearing backwards baseball hats and chugging beer while watching football ick, but you do you. Different strokes I guess.

Me too, can I choose both?!

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Wow, that’s a pretty gross thing for that AO to say. Regardless, men managed to dominate both the collegiate and the literary world for centuries until fairly recently, so I’m pretty sure they should be able to manage writing an essay.

If they’re having trouble writing about feelings, perhaps it’s because they’ve been conditioned to believe they shouldn’t have those, not so much that they can’t do it.

Missing the whole point.

Girls suck at math and it is not even close. So they have a ton of programs to make it easy to girls to get them into math programs.

When an admissions process weighs heavily to one where girls are strong, it would impact admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:She’d be lucky to get a squash bro. Lots of those kids are pretty smart. The ones who want to go a school bc there were good video game themes seem less appealing

I married a guy who played video games as a main hobby. He’s a great husband and father. Only plays video games at night. Very attentive to our children.

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Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that it’s not that these dreamy young men are applying and getting rejected en masse, it’s that they don’t exist in the first place.

+1. It’s this. OP doesn’t understand there are simply fewer male applicants and that those applicants do not have as strong a record as the female applicants

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for my DD who is a strong candidate for top 75 and wants to be in an intellectually stimulating enviro with lots of impressive straight men who are equally strong to date. What kinds of outreach should the top 75 schools be doing with strong male candidates to make their ratios closer to 50-50 or even 55-45 (and not 60-40 or 65-35 or worse)?

Our straight daughters deserve better than recruited squash players and recruited lax bros who barely passed their academic pre-reads.

What about open houses run by male AOs with video-game themes? More profiles of outstanding male students on brochures (my DD's college brochures she gets in the mail feature majority women)? Webinar or student panels which are at least 50-50 women-men. I was at panels at BU, Pomona, USC and Tufts where the student panels were all female and the tour guides were all women except for one lonely male. That doesn't give a reassuring signal to prospective male students so I can understand why they go elsewhere.

Additional ED3 round with later deadline for males (since they are slower to develop)?

The boys need to sign up for this stuff and get out of bed on Saturday morning. Again, it’s not that they’re being rejected from these panels, they don’t want to participate in the first place.

We toured BC recently. They also had an all female student panel, which was pointed out by my son. They were all lovely and very impressive. But it is hard for a 17 year old boy to picture day to day social life at a school when the woman are talking about their experience on the dance team, shopping on Newbury Street on the weekends and getting boba with friends.

Our panel at BC was very similar. My DS scratched it off his list.

Agree.

Sons had similar experiences at other schools

Honestly, most of the tours aren't very good if you are an average boy. My boys are back to back, class of 2025 and class of 2026. We went on probably 15 tours over the last few years. We toured big schools and small schools but mostly big schools. Most of them had tour guides that they couldn't identify with. The one tour that was a home run was Furman. Boy 2 loved it because of the two tour guides. Both male, one white and one black. Regular kids.

DP. I’m really tired of this idea that kids—regardless of what gender or type they are—can’t possibly imagine themselves at a school if their tour guide isn’t exactly like them. My artsy (dare I say, quirky!) teen daughter was able to enjoy a tour given by a baseball cap-wearing business major bro who made lots of dumb jokes about picking up girls in class. It’s just a tour guide. It’s not that deep.

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Wow, that’s a pretty gross thing for that AO to say. Regardless, men managed to dominate both the collegiate and the literary world for centuries until fairly recently, so I’m pretty sure they should be able to manage writing an essay.

If they’re having trouble writing about feelings, perhaps it’s because they’ve been conditioned to believe they shouldn’t have those, not so much that they can’t do it.

Missing the whole point.

Girls suck at math and it is not even close. So they have a ton of programs to make it easy to girls to get them into math programs.

When an admissions process weighs heavily to one where girls are strong, it would impact admissions.

If that’s the point, then I’m happy to miss it. Stay mad if you want. My girl and my boy will do fine.

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Boys frontal lobes are years behind girls in development. So looking at grades they got when they were 14 is going to disadvantage a lot of boys … and they won’t even apply when they see the acattergram for their gpa.
It’s actually pretty depressing as the mom of a teen boy. He’s really smart and is very iijterested in a lot of things. His IQ is very high and he takes all the hardest classes because he likes learning. But his grades are very mediocre because he just isn’t organized with respect turning in work, making up missed tests, etc, the way his sisters are. His sister (who is not any smarter than him) is at a top 10 college, but he’ll be lucky to get into something in the 50-100 range. I feel like school now has a LOT of check the box assignments — much more than when I was in HS — and that all advantages the kids with high executive function. The girls have a huge advantage neurotically in EF at ages 14-16, at least.

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Even at 60-40 or 65-35, there are still a lot of choices right? There will be thousands, how many do you need

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Anonymous wrote:Boys frontal lobes are years behind girls in development. So looking at grades they got when they were 14 is going to disadvantage a lot of boys … and they won’t even apply when they see the acattergram for their gpa.
It’s actually pretty depressing as the mom of a teen boy. He’s really smart and is very iijterested in a lot of things. His IQ is very high and he takes all the hardest classes because he likes learning. But his grades are very mediocre because he just isn’t organized with respect turning in work, making up missed tests, etc, the way his sisters are. His sister (who is not any smarter than him) is at a top 10 college, but he’ll be lucky to get into something in the 50-100 range. I feel like school now has a LOT of check the box assignments — much more than when I was in HS — and that all advantages the kids with high executive function. The girls have a huge advantage neurotically in EF at ages 14-16, at least.

I have a 14 year old boy and a 17 year old girl and I just can’t understand this, to be honest. Kids are given so much grace these days with respect to turning in work whenever they want and retaking tests. It didn’t used to be like this and the boys seemed to do much better back then.

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Anonymous wrote:Boys frontal lobes are years behind girls in development. So looking at grades they got when they were 14 is going to disadvantage a lot of boys … and they won’t even apply when they see the acattergram for their gpa.
It’s actually pretty depressing as the mom of a teen boy. He’s really smart and is very iijterested in a lot of things. His IQ is very high and he takes all the hardest classes because he likes learning. But his grades are very mediocre because he just isn’t organized with respect turning in work, making up missed tests, etc, the way his sisters are. His sister (who is not any smarter than him) is at a top 10 college, but he’ll be lucky to get into something in the 50-100 range. I feel like school now has a LOT of check the box assignments — much more than when I was in HS — and that all advantages the kids with high executive function. The girls have a huge advantage neurotically in EF at ages 14-16, at least.

I have a 14 year old boy and a 17 year old girl and I just can’t understand this, to be honest. Kids are given so much grace these days with respect to turning in work whenever they want and retaking tests. It didn’t used to be like this and the boys seemed to do much better back then.

I do think that more liberal late policies can set up kids (any kid with EF issues) to fail on developing skills, I also think the digital classwork is a blessing & a curse.

While I had to keep track of due dates in a calendar myself, there weren’t many and if I did have to turn something in, the physical paper was a cue to finish it & turn it in.

My kids often report their device freezes upon upload & they forget to go back & make sure it’s submitted. Or it’s a class assignment that they did, but in the hustle of packing up, they forget to submit it. And there does seem to be a lot of small assignments to do. And this goes both ways as teachers have told my kids something that they need to complete an assignment will be uploaded that day & it doesn’t complete & the teacher doesn’t notice.

But, truly, if people want more 50-50 non-STEM campuses, then you’re going to need to accept high achieving girls being declined while mid dudes get accepted. Boys both apply less & generally have lower acceptance rates.

If you want quality men, that starts much earlier than 12th grade

[Anonymous]

All you need to do is look at schools that have huge sports or football programs and you’ll find a more even balance. Fir example, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State just to name a few.

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AOs don't like red blooded American males. They want feminized male social justice warriors and those are not the most desirable men for dating.

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Anonymous wrote:All you need to do is look at schools that have huge sports or football programs and you’ll find a more even balance. Fir example, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State just to name a few.

UGA is 58/42 female/male, Ole Miss is 57/43, UT Austin is 58/42...you can go on.

The answer is you need to actually look at each specific school. There is no simple way to categorize schools by anything, other than any school that is mainly STEM will be skewed Male and any school with little to no engineering and a Nursing program will be skewed female