What SHOULD the top 50-75 colleges do in their marketing to attract more men to attend to improve gender ratios?

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t think they can or should to anything. Those men who can compete with women, should. Those who can’t, should not. College is not for dating, it is for education. Stand back and let the deserving get their education.

the colleges need to figure this as they compete for best women candidates who want better men on campus! demand drives supply

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

Ummm. It is an athletic powerhouse HS.

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Anonymous wrote:My highly motivated male finds the female dating pool equally disappointing. They are not interested in partiers or those obsessed with social media and the like. They are at a top school, so even there it limits the options.

I think worse than the partier social media obsessed girls are the ones who are so political that they only want to date some combo of far left beliefs with 100% political agreement conformity, and guys that look good on social media.

Teaching your girls that only one cluster of political beliefs and 100% political agreement is a non negotiable will significantly reduce their dating options. There are soooo many wonderful guys that they are missing out on meeting, due to recent polarizing attitudes.

You want your sons and daughters to have a positive dating life, go back to raising them like an 80s or 90s teen.

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I continue to be surprised (and gratified) that my son and his girlfriend are political polar opposites. They respect one another's views and it's probably more interesting to be with someone who challenges them a bit than someone who feels exactly the same way on all the issues. My husband and I are like this too.

James Carville and Mary Matalin

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Anonymous wrote:Boys frontal lobes are years behind girls in development. So looking at grades they got when they were 14 is going to disadvantage a lot of boys … and they won’t even apply when they see the acattergram for their gpa.
It’s actually pretty depressing as the mom of a teen boy. He’s really smart and is very iijterested in a lot of things. His IQ is very high and he takes all the hardest classes because he likes learning. But his grades are very mediocre because he just isn’t organized with respect turning in work, making up missed tests, etc, the way his sisters are. His sister (who is not any smarter than him) is at a top 10 college, but he’ll be lucky to get into something in the 50-100 range. I feel like school now has a LOT of check the box assignments — much more than when I was in HS — and that all advantages the kids with high executive function. The girls have a huge advantage neurotically in EF at ages 14-16, at least.

I have a 14 year old boy and a 17 year old girl and I just can’t understand this, to be honest. Kids are given so much grace these days with respect to turning in work whenever they want and retaking tests. It didn’t used to be like this and the boys seemed to do much better back then.

I do think that more liberal late policies can set up kids (any kid with EF issues) to fail on developing skills, I also think the digital classwork is a blessing & a curse.

While I had to keep track of due dates in a calendar myself, there weren’t many and if I did have to turn something in, the physical paper was a cue to finish it & turn it in.

My kids often report their device freezes upon upload & they forget to go back & make sure it’s submitted. Or it’s a class assignment that they did, but in the hustle of packing up, they forget to submit it. And there does seem to be a lot of small assignments to do. And this goes both ways as teachers have told my kids something that they need to complete an assignment will be uploaded that day & it doesn’t complete & the teacher doesn’t notice.

But, truly, if people want more 50-50 non-STEM campuses, then you’re going to need to accept high achieving girls being declined while mid dudes get accepted. Boys both apply less & generally have lower acceptance rates.

If you want quality men, that starts much earlier than 12th grade

My sons have had zero issues with whatever that is “executive functioning” or turning stuff in. I swear a lot of the time people just blame it on BS….you set limits and rules and have clear becomes and wake times and rituals from the earliest ages. Kids need structure. Let them flounder and they will. Make excuses and have low expectations and that’s what they’ll meet.

My kids’ HS has zero extensions, you don’t turn it in on time (barring death or infection) that’s a zero.

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Anonymous wrote:My highly motivated male finds the female dating pool equally disappointing. They are not interested in partiers or those obsessed with social media and the like. They are at a top school, so even there it limits the options.

I think worse than the partier social media obsessed girls are the ones who are so political that they only want to date some combo of far left beliefs with 100% political agreement conformity, and guys that look good on social media.

Teaching your girls that only one cluster of political beliefs and 100% political agreement is a non negotiable will significantly reduce their dating options. There are soooo many wonderful guys that they are missing out on meeting, due to recent polarizing attitudes.

You want your sons and daughters to have a positive dating life, go back to raising them like an 80s or 90s teen.

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I continue to be surprised (and gratified) that my son and his girlfriend are political polar opposites. They respect one another's views and it's probably more interesting to be with someone who challenges them a bit than someone who feels exactly the same way on all the issues. My husband and I are like this too.

James Carville and Mary Matalin

The problem with your example is that Mary Matalin left the Republican Party in 2016 and likely did not vote for Trump.

Heck, George Conway was a major Republican and he couldn’t stay married to Kellyanne because she went off the deep end.

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

I'll be sure and let my boys who attend big universities - and who both wrote beautiful essays, AND have serious girlfriends - know what some rando on the internet is blathering about.

Go ahead. I'm sure those girls are less attractive than most. A lid for every pot they say.

Bless your heart. Sounds like you need all the grace you can get.

The truth hurts, doesn't it lady?

What truth?

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Maybe don't generalize? My sons wrote beautiful essays.

Same. They have a fantastic writing program at their high school.

Yeah...those guys aren't the ones that these girls want to date. They want to have their cake and eat it too with some sort of handsome, Renaissance man who enjoys sports and is manly but reads their minds and answers to all their emotional needs while making $500k within 5 years of graduation.

Your "beautiful essay" boys are just dorks.

OP - the boys your daughter wants are in Honors Colleges at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded. They aren't looking to for some small town, rural SLAC experience. And the recruited athletes at those schools aren't looking for your daughter. They're looking for the girls who are joining sororities at big universities where sports and academics are both well-regarded.

I'll be sure and let my boys who attend big universities - and who both wrote beautiful essays, AND have serious girlfriends - know what some rando on the internet is blathering about.

Go ahead. I'm sure those girls are less attractive than most. A lid for every pot they say.

Bless your heart. Sounds like you need all the grace you can get.

The truth hurts, doesn't it lady?

What truth?

That your boys are dorks and their girlfriends are unattractive. It was right there for you to figure out. Or are you going to report my post again because of your lack of reading comprehension?

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Case is a great intellectual environment with a 50/50 gender ratio.

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Anonymous wrote:Give merit for SAT scores. Weigh scores more than they currently do vs GPA.

This makes a lot of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for my DD who is a strong candidate for top 75 and wants to be in an intellectually stimulating enviro with lots of impressive straight men who are equally strong to date. What kinds of outreach should the top 75 schools be doing with strong male candidates to make their ratios closer to 50-50 or even 55-45 (and not 60-40 or 65-35 or worse)?

Our straight daughters deserve better than recruited squash players and recruited lax bros who barely passed their academic pre-reads.

What about open houses run by male AOs with video-game themes? More profiles of outstanding male students on brochures (my DD's college brochures she gets in the mail feature majority women)? Webinar or student panels which are at least 50-50 women-men. I was at panels at BU, Pomona, USC and Tufts where the student panels were all female and the tour guides were all women except for one lonely male. That doesn't give a reassuring signal to prospective male students so I can understand why they go elsewhere.

Additional ED3 round with later deadline for males (since they are slower to develop)?

I went to an engineering college. Boys to girls 3 to 1. Tried to suggest that my sister hang out near or around the engineering school at her Big 8 college. Wouldn't do it. They aren't fun, and she liked rich fun boys. Mostly because they are rich, though she couldn't attract any that were any good in school, just rich daddies play-boys. Doesn't understand why she can't afford a house. If I had to do it again, I'd major in the art, it would be more fun and about as useful as my engineering degree, or better yet skip it no one wants to date a poor college boy even if they have full ride.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for my DD who is a strong candidate for top 75 and wants to be in an intellectually stimulating enviro with lots of impressive straight men who are equally strong to date. What kinds of outreach should the top 75 schools be doing with strong male candidates to make their ratios closer to 50-50 or even 55-45 (and not 60-40 or 65-35 or worse)?

Our straight daughters deserve better than recruited squash players and recruited lax bros who barely passed their academic pre-reads.

What about open houses run by male AOs with video-game themes? More profiles of outstanding male students on brochures (my DD's college brochures she gets in the mail feature majority women)? Webinar or student panels which are at least 50-50 women-men. I was at panels at BU, Pomona, USC and Tufts where the student panels were all female and the tour guides were all women except for one lonely male. That doesn't give a reassuring signal to prospective male students so I can understand why they go elsewhere.

Additional ED3 round with later deadline for males (since they are slower to develop)?

Your DD should apply for MIT or Caltechn.

To answer your question, they can adjust their holistic admissions process to get a 50/50 gender ratio, the same way Caltech changed theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:lol intellectually stimulating and T75 is an oxymoron. Intellectually stimulating stops at about T20. Everything after is a cakewalk to the degree (my kid’s T30 college included)

If you want a challenge, you can get a challenge. How many hours did your kid spend begging to take graduate courses or a course overload or an independent study?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ok with your daughter losing a spot at these schools altogether in the interest of allowing more dateable young men in?

Not the OP but my DD said she doesn't care if she goes to a school ranked #55 versus #38 as long as there's a great student experience - which includes a normal and healthy male/female ratio. She doesn't want to go to college with 60-65% female population pining after the same five guys who get all the attention. She wants there to be lots of dateable guys and a more chill and less competitive dating atmosphere for women.

A minority of the guys will be getting the majority of the attention no matter where she goes. The gender ratio won't change that.

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Anonymous wrote:Essays from boys are going to be far inferior to girls and that is the major stumbling block.

As a female Georgia AO told us, "ask a girl to write how pretty she is and she will whip out 4 paragraphs. Boys need to take the same attitude."

Teenage boys dont write about feelings like girls do. And AO's want teenagers to pour their heart out in essays. This is like pulling teeth out for boys.

Sounds like these boys have humility, which is an increasingly valuable trait. Good for them.

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Anonymous wrote:My highly motivated male finds the female dating pool equally disappointing. They are not interested in partiers or those obsessed with social media and the like. They are at a top school, so even there it limits the options.

I think worse than the partier social media obsessed girls are the ones who are so political that they only want to date some combo of far left beliefs with 100% political agreement conformity, and guys that look good on social media.

The venn diagram of these two groups looks a pair of externally tangent circles. I don't know why, but the hotter a guy is, the more likely they are to be conservative.