Why is fascism more taboo than communism?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason planned economic systems with collectivism as the fundamental matrix (what simpletons refer to as “communism”) hasn’t been 100% successful is that frankly, the right people haven’t been in charge.

Collectivism is THE ideal economic model. There is nothing more egalitarian than collective ownership of the means of production and no need for private property. This isn’t subject to debate.

But the right people haven’t been in charge. That is a failing of the people, not of collectivism.

Can't that be said of any system though. Capitalism, but the wrong people are in charge...

Very true. Any form of government with the Republican and Democratic Parties in charge would be dysfunctional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only reason planned economic systems with collectivism as the fundamental matrix (what simpletons refer to as “communism”) hasn’t been 100% successful is that frankly, the right people haven’t been in charge.

Collectivism is THE ideal economic model. There is nothing more egalitarian than collective ownership of the means of production and no need for private property. This isn’t subject to debate.

But the right people haven’t been in charge. That is a failing of the people, not of collectivism.

No, it's fully subject to debate and you don't know what the F you're talking about.

Central planning of economies is the death knell. Communism and collectivism have never been successful anywhere they have been tried.

Command economies can't be properly planned because there is never enough data to properly distribute goods and services efficiently. It's impossible.

That leads to shortages, resources that go unused, unintended consequences, and demand destruction at a much faster rate than any westernized economy.

BTW, we haven't had Capitalism in the U.S. for one hundred years.

There's is nothing more efficient than the hidden hand of market economics.

'The pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Soviet Political Joke

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason planned economic systems with collectivism as the fundamental matrix (what simpletons refer to as “communism”) hasn’t been 100% successful is that frankly, the right people haven’t been in charge.

Collectivism is THE ideal economic model. There is nothing more egalitarian than collective ownership of the means of production and no need for private property. This isn’t subject to debate.

But the right people haven’t been in charge. That is a failing of the people, not of collectivism.

No, it's fully subject to debate and you don't know what the F you're talking about.

Central planning of economies is the death knell. Communism and collectivism have never been successful anywhere they have been tried.

Command economies can't be properly planned because there is never enough data to properly distribute goods and services efficiently. It's impossible.

That leads to shortages, resources that go unused, unintended consequences, and demand destruction at a much faster rate than any westernized economy.

BTW, we haven't had Capitalism in the U.S. for one hundred years.

There's is nothing more efficient than the hidden hand of market economics.

'The pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Soviet Political Joke

I love how you tell PP that he doesn't know what the F he is talking about and then proceed to spew a bunch of utter nonsense not supported by any historical account.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason planned economic systems with collectivism as the fundamental matrix (what simpletons refer to as “communism”) hasn’t been 100% successful is that frankly, the right people haven’t been in charge.

Collectivism is THE ideal economic model. There is nothing more egalitarian than collective ownership of the means of production and no need for private property. This isn’t subject to debate.

But the right people haven’t been in charge. That is a failing of the people, not of collectivism.

No, it's fully subject to debate and you don't know what the F you're talking about.

Central planning of economies is the death knell. Communism and collectivism have never been successful anywhere they have been tried.

Command economies can't be properly planned because there is never enough data to properly distribute goods and services efficiently. It's impossible.

That leads to shortages, resources that go unused, unintended consequences, and demand destruction at a much faster rate than any westernized economy.

BTW, we haven't had Capitalism in the U.S. for one hundred years.

There's is nothing more efficient than the hidden hand of market economics.

'The pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Soviet Political Joke

I love how you tell PP that he doesn't know what the F he is talking about and then proceed to spew a bunch of utter nonsense not supported by any historical account.

We all know the DNC and democrat platform is 100% communist now. It isn't selling, Mamdani.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ahhhhh yes.....the tired old argument that the Khemer Rouge, Mao's China, USSR, and North Korea "aren't real Communism!".

We just need a few hundred million more deaths to try out the communist experiment until we get it right.

Womp, womp.

You're correct but miss the point. In each of those examples communism descended into a form of fascism. The main common denominator being unchecked authoritarianists using force through the state against their own people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason planned economic systems with collectivism as the fundamental matrix (what simpletons refer to as “communism”) hasn’t been 100% successful is that frankly, the right people haven’t been in charge.

Collectivism is THE ideal economic model. There is nothing more egalitarian than collective ownership of the means of production and no need for private property. This isn’t subject to debate.

But the right people haven’t been in charge. That is a failing of the people, not of collectivism.

No, it's fully subject to debate and you don't know what the F you're talking about.

Central planning of economies is the death knell. Communism and collectivism have never been successful anywhere they have been tried.

Command economies can't be properly planned because there is never enough data to properly distribute goods and services efficiently. It's impossible.

That leads to shortages, resources that go unused, unintended consequences, and demand destruction at a much faster rate than any westernized economy.

BTW, we haven't had Capitalism in the U.S. for one hundred years.

There's is nothing more efficient than the hidden hand of market economics.

'The pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." - Soviet Political Joke

I love how you tell PP that he doesn't know what the F he is talking about and then proceed to spew a bunch of utter nonsense not supported by any historical account.

We all know the DNC and democrat platform is 100% communist now. It isn't selling, Mamdani.

Neither is your asenine MAGA crap on every thread. God, we can't have a conversation about anything without your idiotic flybys. Go somewhere else and leave the adults alone.

[Anonymous]

Fascism is taboo because it actually works for the people and that scares the puppet masters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fascism is taboo because it actually works for the people and that scares the puppet masters.

The rapid turnaround of the German economy post Weimar is evidence of that but who knows how that would have played out long term.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by saying that I am not a supporter of either ideology and I think that the proof is in history that both are dangerous.

If you look at both fascist governments and communist governments in history, both have committed genocides. Most notably, communists perpetrated the Cambodian Genocide (7.1 million), the USSR’s various genocides (debated, but 5-10 million, potentially up to 20 million over the course of the USSR). The fascist example of Nazi Germany is the most famous (11 million). Both killed a ton of people.

Yet growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, it was ok to wear a hammer and scythe t shirt. DC has a Marx Cafe, but can you imagine a fascist themed bar? Reddit has a r/communism community with 260k members for communism enthusiasts, yet no fascist related communities.

Clearly one is more taboo than the other.

Why?

Are you trying to sell communism as acceptable?

This what our awful two major parties have done. They have caused otherwise intelligent people to think communism is acceptable on some level.

I just want to send positive energy, good fortune, and endless love to all of my fellow American citizens who are fed up with the dysfunction of our two major political parties. We'll get through this, together, as one undivided nation of decent people. Let's all promise to take our voting privileges more seriously in upcoming elections.

As someone who grew up in a communist country, I do not believe that communism is inherently evil. It worked very well for 50 years, where I grew up and there was a much stronger middle class than we have here today.

You were brainwashed.

My in-laws were enslaved under communism behind the Iron Curtain. They shook off the brainwashing and can now view reality objectively.

You should seek mental health treatment, PP. I’m serious.

No, I wasn't brainwashed. You just have no idea how some communist countries operated. I have no doubt that in Soviet Russia, things were horrible. We knew it at the time, too. However, we were a prosperous nation that worked with the West, were free to travel and enjoyed tourism from all over the world. You're just very ignorant of the history. [/quote

What country? What part of that country?

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, at the DNC.....



Pepperidge Farms Remembers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fascism is taboo because it actually works for the people and that scares the puppet masters.

The rapid turnaround of the German economy post Weimar is evidence of that but who knows how that would have played out long term.

Massive public spending, military industrialization and repudiating international debts tends to do that. Sounds a lot like aspects of communism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fascism is taboo because it actually works for the people and that scares the puppet masters.

The rapid turnaround of the German economy post Weimar is evidence of that but who knows how that would have played out long term.

Massive public spending, military industrialization and repudiating international debts tends to do that. Sounds a lot like aspects of communism.

Economically national socialism is more left wing than free market capitalism, same for fascism. Both communism and fascism in theory direct industry for the public good, though you can argue if that's what happened.

The difference being in communism the state owns and directs industry while in fascism the state directs industry but it is mostly privately owned and there can be competition between companies.

I'd argue that companies can compete is better than the alternative, also that living standards did seem to improve in fascist countries more so than communist, though OPs question remains as to why it's more vilified given that both systems were authoritarian with mass killings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by saying that I am not a supporter of either ideology and I think that the proof is in history that both are dangerous.

If you look at both fascist governments and communist governments in history, both have committed genocides. Most notably, communists perpetrated the Cambodian Genocide (7.1 million), the USSR’s various genocides (debated, but 5-10 million, potentially up to 20 million over the course of the USSR). The fascist example of Nazi Germany is the most famous (11 million). Both killed a ton of people.

Yet growing up in the 90’s and 2000’s, it was ok to wear a hammer and scythe t shirt. DC has a Marx Cafe, but can you imagine a fascist themed bar? Reddit has a r/communism community with 260k members for communism enthusiasts, yet no fascist related communities.

Clearly one is more taboo than the other.

Why?

Are you trying to sell communism as acceptable?

This what our awful two major parties have done. They have caused otherwise intelligent people to think communism is acceptable on some level.

I just want to send positive energy, good fortune, and endless love to all of my fellow American citizens who are fed up with the dysfunction of our two major political parties. We'll get through this, together, as one undivided nation of decent people. Let's all promise to take our voting privileges more seriously in upcoming elections.

As someone who grew up in a communist country, I do not believe that communism is inherently evil. It worked very well for 50 years, where I grew up and there was a much stronger middle class than we have here today.

You were brainwashed.

My in-laws were enslaved under communism behind the Iron Curtain. They shook off the brainwashing and can now view reality objectively.

You should seek mental health treatment, PP. I’m serious.

No, I wasn't brainwashed. You just have no idea how some communist countries operated. I have no doubt that in Soviet Russia, things were horrible. We knew it at the time, too. However, we were a prosperous nation that worked with the West, were free to travel and enjoyed tourism from all over the world. You're just very ignorant of the history. [/quote

What country? What part of that country?

Yugoslavia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fascism is taboo because it actually works for the people and that scares the puppet masters.

The rapid turnaround of the German economy post Weimar is evidence of that but who knows how that would have played out long term.

Massive public spending, military industrialization and repudiating international debts tends to do that. Sounds a lot like aspects of communism.

Economically national socialism is more left wing than free market capitalism, same for fascism. Both communism and fascism in theory direct industry for the public good, though you can argue if that's what happened.

The difference being in communism the state owns and directs industry while in fascism the state directs industry but it is mostly privately owned and there can be competition between companies.

I'd argue that companies can compete is better than the alternative, also that living standards did seem to improve in fascist countries more so than communist, though OPs question remains as to why it's more vilified given that both systems were authoritarian with mass killings.

In fascism the state directs public resources and provides monopolies to preferred oligarchs. That's the exact opposite of competition.

In fascism, average income goes up. In communism, median income goes up. One system produces higher highs and lower lows while the other produces higher lows and lower highs.

It's more villified (and based on the current political climate it is obviously not more villified) because fascism is primarily a system of political organization while communism is primarily a system of economic organization. In fascism, the economic outcome of oligarchs and corruption is a consequence of the political structure. In communism, the political outcome of repression and corruption is a consequence of the economic structure.

They both fail and result in the same horrendous outcomes for the same reason. They are both entirely about control and seek to punish non-conformists.

[Anonymous]

To make it simple.

In communism the state asserts control through access to production and forces compliance via the police/military.

In fascism, the state asserts control through access to capital and forces compliance via the police/military.