Why is fascism more taboo than communism?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m in some sort of time warp. Who even thinks about communists these days? What century are we in?

I wouldn't display your ignorance so proudly if I were you.

Is it really so hard to adapt to moving times? A mentality that is stuck in the past is a sure sign of a person that cannot cope with the future. There are plenty of ‘villains’ out in the world today. Take your pick. Please leave the 1950s behind and focus on what is actually happening.

MAGA doesn’t know history. If they did, they’d know they’re being used with the good ‘ol “commie” boogeyman.

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Please read up about Germany, Italy and Japan in World War II. And also read about the USSR after WWII. They were all terrible governments.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m in some sort of time warp. Who even thinks about communists these days? What century are we in?

I wouldn't display your ignorance so proudly if I were you.

Is it really so hard to adapt to moving times? A mentality that is stuck in the past is a sure sign of a person that cannot cope with the future. There are plenty of ‘villains’ out in the world today. Take your pick. Please leave the 1950s behind and focus on what is actually happening.

MAGA doesn’t know history. If they did, they’d know they’re being used with the good ‘ol “commie” boogeyman.

I'm the poster who grew up in a communist country and the one you are responding to. I am about as far away from MAGA as you can get. The communist party is very much in charge of both China and Russia so perhaps the two of you need a refresher. Yes, communism there took a different form over the last few decades, but it's very much the ideology they adhere to even today.

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The pilgrims.

American kids learn very early on that the folks on the Mayflower gave communism a real shot for few years because it seemed as close to an ideal system as possible for a small community. Influenced by Plato perhaps as much as by Jesus.

Anyway, that didn't ultimately work and they had to go with individuals having property rights, but we learn at a young age that our forefathers at least gave it a shot.

You can see this in the communes that pop up throughout American history. Americans are fundamentally optimistic people and we keep thinking "Communism may not work for most people, but maybe our little group can make it work". And sometimes they do, at least for a little while.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s discuss all the Communists at the No Kings parade.

If you went to a No Kings protest, you stood with communists.

You think Epoch Times is a real newspaper, don’t you?

It’s as real as WaPo or NYT.

And more credible.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone wants to be fascist, it is more of a response to a society collapsing or taking several steps backwards sort of when colonialism/imperialism collapsed in Europe and they could no longer support the monarchies. Maybe some people dream of fascism with their A for anarchy patches sewn on their punk clothing, but other than that.

Uh, anarchy is something different. Fascist dreamers go for SS symbols and swastikas. Or white polo shirts and khakis.

Just saying fascism maybe more prevalent if you take into account other forms. Like punk rock.

In what world is punk rock fascist? I can't think of a single punk band that embraces fascism.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s discuss all the Communists at the No Kings parade.

If you went to a No Kings protest, you stood with communists.

Trump is a real OG communist for having the government buy stakes in Intel and now Westinghouse!

Uh, actual communists wouldn’t buy a stake in anything. They’d simply take it by force and kill the owners.

Yes, correct. That accurately describes a kibbutz in Palestine.

Palestine?

The town in the piney woods of east Texas?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone wants to be fascist, it is more of a response to a society collapsing or taking several steps backwards sort of when colonialism/imperialism collapsed in Europe and they could no longer support the monarchies. Maybe some people dream of fascism with their A for anarchy patches sewn on their punk clothing, but other than that.

Uh, anarchy is something different. Fascist dreamers go for SS symbols and swastikas. Or white polo shirts and khakis.

Just saying fascism maybe more prevalent if you take into account other forms. Like punk rock.

In what world is punk rock fascist? I can't think of a single punk band that embraces fascism.

Punk is all about counterculture. If popular culture skews leftist and progressive, where does that put punk?

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Anonymous wrote:Fascism is a total failure when it comes to killing millions of people. At best, the fascist tally is perhaps 15 million.

Compare that to socialism/communism’s total of 100 million.


Fascists are pikers when it comes to filling mass graves.

Oh please. That is so intellectually dishonest. You’re comparing 100 years of communist regimes to a dozen years of Nazi rule. Under the Nazis, 15 million were murdered (and that’s not even counting the 71 million civilian and military deaths directly caused by the Axis powers during WWII). How many more would have been killed if the Nazis had stayed in power for 100 years?

1) had the Nazis *won*, the war would’ve also ended. That’s what happens when one side WINS a war - the war stops. So it’s pretty disingenuous of you to extrapolate the continuation of deaths attributed to being lost fighting a war to go on at the same rate after the END of the war.


2) I was counting the US as a “fascist” state for the first 4 years of Trump’s first term, and the current 10 months of Trump’s second term - because people like you insist he’s a fascist so I’m humoring you. And in almost 5 years of a US fascist government, we haven’t filled even a single mass grave with the enemies of the administration.


Trump really sucks at this whole “fascism” thing.

Pretty disingenuous of YOU to think the Nazis would have stopped exterminating Jews and other “undesirables” after winning the war and conquering all of Europe. Fascists never say “ok, that’s enough, we’re cleansed now”. They go on to other targets.

As for mass graves, people don’t have to be executed directly by the state. That’s old school. They can simply allow people to starve (by cutting off USAID and SNAP), deny them access to medical care, cut funding for cancer research, promote policies that allow infectious diseases to spread, etc. Excess deaths under Trump are already approaching 1 million, and it’s going to get worse. In case you haven’t noticed, the billionaires regard us as a surplus population.

Anyway, the entire mass graves argument is hollow, because it’s not part of the definition of fascism.

So it’s the responsibility of government to keep everyone on government assistance alive, healthy and well-fed?

I’m not on government assistance of any kind. Never have been.

So what makes the lives of people on government assistance so much more valuable than mine? Because if I stop working and stop generating income - I starve. But people who are sustaining themselves have an expectation that the govt will feed and house them in perpetuity, when it doesn’t do that for people like me?


How did the people on government assistance become so much more important than people not on it?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone wants to be fascist, it is more of a response to a society collapsing or taking several steps backwards sort of when colonialism/imperialism collapsed in Europe and they could no longer support the monarchies. Maybe some people dream of fascism with their A for anarchy patches sewn on their punk clothing, but other than that.

Uh, anarchy is something different. Fascist dreamers go for SS symbols and swastikas. Or white polo shirts and khakis.

Just saying fascism maybe more prevalent if you take into account other forms. Like punk rock.

In what world is punk rock fascist? I can't think of a single punk band that embraces fascism.

Punk is all about counterculture. If popular culture skews leftist and progressive, where does that put punk?

The "If" is doing A LOT of heavy lifting.

"Popular culture" may skew left, the actual political culture that we are living in is very much NOT skewing left. The right-wing controls all 3 branches of federal government.

Every punk I can think of is counter to fascism-- and in fact punks sometimes violently opposes those that express fascist support.

But please do pass on those names of fascist punks . . .

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone wants to be fascist, it is more of a response to a society collapsing or taking several steps backwards sort of when colonialism/imperialism collapsed in Europe and they could no longer support the monarchies. Maybe some people dream of fascism with their A for anarchy patches sewn on their punk clothing, but other than that.

Uh, anarchy is something different. Fascist dreamers go for SS symbols and swastikas. Or white polo shirts and khakis.

Just saying fascism maybe more prevalent if you take into account other forms. Like punk rock.

In what world is punk rock fascist? I can't think of a single punk band that embraces fascism.

Punk is all about counterculture. If popular culture skews leftist and progressive, where does that put punk?

The "If" is doing A LOT of heavy lifting.

"Popular culture" may skew left, the actual political culture that we are living in is very much NOT skewing left. The right-wing controls all 3 branches of federal government.

Every punk I can think of is counter to fascism-- and in fact punks sometimes violently opposes those that express fascist support.

But please do pass on those names of fascist punks . . .

You're trying too hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fascism is a total failure when it comes to killing millions of people. At best, the fascist tally is perhaps 15 million.

Compare that to socialism/communism’s total of 100 million.


Fascists are pikers when it comes to filling mass graves.

Oh please. That is so intellectually dishonest. You’re comparing 100 years of communist regimes to a dozen years of Nazi rule. Under the Nazis, 15 million were murdered (and that’s not even counting the 71 million civilian and military deaths directly caused by the Axis powers during WWII). How many more would have been killed if the Nazis had stayed in power for 100 years?

1) had the Nazis *won*, the war would’ve also ended. That’s what happens when one side WINS a war - the war stops. So it’s pretty disingenuous of you to extrapolate the continuation of deaths attributed to being lost fighting a war to go on at the same rate after the END of the war.


2) I was counting the US as a “fascist” state for the first 4 years of Trump’s first term, and the current 10 months of Trump’s second term - because people like you insist he’s a fascist so I’m humoring you. And in almost 5 years of a US fascist government, we haven’t filled even a single mass grave with the enemies of the administration.


Trump really sucks at this whole “fascism” thing.

Pretty disingenuous of YOU to think the Nazis would have stopped exterminating Jews and other “undesirables” after winning the war and conquering all of Europe. Fascists never say “ok, that’s enough, we’re cleansed now”. They go on to other targets.

As for mass graves, people don’t have to be executed directly by the state. That’s old school. They can simply allow people to starve (by cutting off USAID and SNAP), deny them access to medical care, cut funding for cancer research, promote policies that allow infectious diseases to spread, etc. Excess deaths under Trump are already approaching 1 million, and it’s going to get worse. In case you haven’t noticed, the billionaires regard us as a surplus population.

Anyway, the entire mass graves argument is hollow, because it’s not part of the definition of fascism.

So it’s the responsibility of government to keep everyone on government assistance alive, healthy and well-fed?

I’m not on government assistance of any kind. Never have been.

So what makes the lives of people on government assistance so much more valuable than mine? Because if I stop working and stop generating income - I starve. But people who are sustaining themselves have an expectation that the govt will feed and house them in perpetuity, when it doesn’t do that for people like me?


How did the people on government assistance become so much more important than people not on it?

Are sick people who get insurance payouts more important than healthy people who pay into the system but never need them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone wants to be fascist, it is more of a response to a society collapsing or taking several steps backwards sort of when colonialism/imperialism collapsed in Europe and they could no longer support the monarchies. Maybe some people dream of fascism with their A for anarchy patches sewn on their punk clothing, but other than that.

Uh, anarchy is something different. Fascist dreamers go for SS symbols and swastikas. Or white polo shirts and khakis.

Just saying fascism maybe more prevalent if you take into account other forms. Like punk rock.

In what world is punk rock fascist? I can't think of a single punk band that embraces fascism.

Punk is all about counterculture. If popular culture skews leftist and progressive, where does that put punk?

Punk is anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment, anti-hierarchy, anti-white supremacy, and thus skews left. See: “Nazi Punks F*ck Off” by the Dead Kennedys. (Nazi punk actually does exist, but it’s a subgenre.)

[Anonymous]

Any government that says it is communist, ultimately becomes fascist. ie Nazi Germany, modern day China, modern day Russia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m in some sort of time warp. Who even thinks about communists these days? What century are we in?

I wouldn't display your ignorance so proudly if I were you.

Is it really so hard to adapt to moving times? A mentality that is stuck in the past is a sure sign of a person that cannot cope with the future. There are plenty of ‘villains’ out in the world today. Take your pick. Please leave the 1950s behind and focus on what is actually happening.

MAGA doesn’t know history. If they did, they’d know they’re being used with the good ‘ol “commie” boogeyman.

I'm the poster who grew up in a communist country and the one you are responding to. I am about as far away from MAGA as you can get. The communist party is very much in charge of both China and Russia so perhaps the two of you need a refresher. Yes, communism there took a different form over the last few decades, but it's very much the ideology they adhere to even today.

It doesn’t matter what they call themselves. Look up any definition of communism. That is not what they are.

“Communism is a political and economic ideology that advocates for a classless society with common ownership of the means of production, ideally leading to a stateless, egalitarian society. In theory, this means all property is publicly owned and people contribute according to their ability and receive according to their need, eliminating private property and social classes.”