Preparing for first confession after many years, and having an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

If the Catholic Church is going to claim that science interferes with god's will and divine design, then that philosophy should be consistently applied beyond women. But I'm sure the men in the Catholic Church find it much easier to tell women what they can and can't do than to accept the loss of antibiotics, cholesterol medication, and viagra.

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There are many of us who have reached the conclusion that we can no longer be Catholic. For me, I couldn’t in good conscience raise my kids in an institution in that still prohibits women from real leadership roles and that protects pedophiles above children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are many of us who have reached the conclusion that we can no longer be Catholic. For me, I couldn’t in good conscience raise my kids in an institution in that still prohibits women from real leadership roles and that protects pedophiles above children.

Good for you? But not at all what OP was asking.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

If the Catholic Church is going to claim that science interferes with god's will and divine design, then that philosophy should be consistently applied beyond women. But I'm sure the men in the Catholic Church find it much easier to tell women what they can and can't do than to accept the loss of antibiotics, cholesterol medication, and viagra.

The Catholic Church doesn’t say that science interferes with God’s will. The Catholic Church believes that it is the main purpose of human beings to fully connect with their humanity, body and soul. They believe that the body and soul are inherently connected, hence all of the kneeling and standing during prayers and the taking of Christ’s body into their own corporeal body.
The Catholic Church believes that sex between a man and a woman is inherently beautiful and a divine gift, and that part of what makes it beautiful is the possibility of creating life. Purposefully rendering yourself sterile in order to disconnect sex from procreation reduces its value and beauty for the couple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are many of us who have reached the conclusion that we can no longer be Catholic. For me, I couldn’t in good conscience raise my kids in an institution in that still prohibits women from real leadership roles and that protects pedophiles above children.

Good for you? But not at all what OP was asking.

Yeah, she basically was. She mentioned her tentative initial embrace of the religion, then she discussed why she hadn't gone to confession, and her fear of doing so. That was followed by her concern over her mortal soul. There are those here who are saying that none of those things she's worried about are relevant, necessary, or true. And they came with answers as to why.
Did you miss that?

[Anonymous]

OP, you are free to do what you wants with your body. It’s okay to ask you husband to abstain from sex while you consider this more fully. And he should definitely be involved in the discussion! This is a marital decision.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

If the Catholic Church is going to claim that science interferes with god's will and divine design, then that philosophy should be consistently applied beyond women. But I'm sure the men in the Catholic Church find it much easier to tell women what they can and can't do than to accept the loss of antibiotics, cholesterol medication, and viagra.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

If the Catholic Church is going to claim that science interferes with god's will and divine design, then that philosophy should be consistently applied beyond women. But I'm sure the men in the Catholic Church find it much easier to tell women what they can and can't do than to accept the loss of antibiotics, cholesterol medication, and viagra.

The Catholic Church doesn’t say that science interferes with God’s will. The Catholic Church believes that it is the main purpose of human beings to fully connect with their humanity, body and soul. They believe that the body and soul are inherently connected, hence all of the kneeling and standing during prayers and the taking of Christ’s body into their own corporeal body.
The Catholic Church believes that sex between a man and a woman is inherently beautiful and a divine gift, and that part of what makes it beautiful is the possibility of creating life. Purposefully rendering yourself sterile in order to disconnect sex from procreation reduces its value and beauty for the couple.

The Catholic church has already connected with enough bodies. Little bodies.

Secondly, no, it's really not about being able to procreate. If that were true, infertile couples, older couples, gay couples ( yeah I said it), disabled couples should have no reason to have sex at all.
Yes, I already know their stance on LGTBQ, but, again, major hypocrisy.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are free to do what you wants with your body. It’s okay to ask you husband to abstain from sex while you consider this more fully. And he should definitely be involved in the discussion! This is a marital decision.

Since when in the Catholic Church are women free to do whatever to their own body?

I remember distinctly when the church priest sent my aunt back to her abusive husband after he hospitalized her for three weeks in 2009.

[Anonymous]

With all the war, disease, famine, crime, going on in the world, you really think God cares that you have an IUD? I’d say he has bigger issues to care about.

[Anonymous]

I’m Catholic-ish. Grew up in it and value a lot it. Have priests as friends. And not a single one of them would care if you’re on contraception. This isn’t Ireland in 1925.

If that’s your worst sin, you are doing very well.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

If the Catholic Church is going to claim that science interferes with god's will and divine design, then that philosophy should be consistently applied beyond women. But I'm sure the men in the Catholic Church find it much easier to tell women what they can and can't do than to accept the loss of antibiotics, cholesterol medication, and viagra.

The Catholic Church doesn’t say that science interferes with God’s will. The Catholic Church believes that it is the main purpose of human beings to fully connect with their humanity, body and soul. They believe that the body and soul are inherently connected, hence all of the kneeling and standing during prayers and the taking of Christ’s body into their own corporeal body.
The Catholic Church believes that sex between a man and a woman is inherently beautiful and a divine gift, and that part of what makes it beautiful is the possibility of creating life. Purposefully rendering yourself sterile in order to disconnect sex from procreation reduces its value and beauty for the couple.

The Catholic church has already connected with enough bodies. Little bodies.

Secondly, no, it's really not about being able to procreate. If that were true, infertile couples, older couples, gay couples ( yeah I said it), disabled couples should have no reason to have sex at all.
Yes, I already know their stance on LGTBQ, but, again, major hypocrisy.

No one said that sex is always about procreation. Just that it isn’t good for people to purposefully sterilize themselves so that they can uncouple sex and procreation.

Frankly, I don’t actually agree with this, but the discussion would be a lot more interesting if we could get on the same page.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Catholic-ish. Grew up in it and value a lot it. Have priests as friends. And not a single one of them would care if you’re on contraception. This isn’t Ireland in 1925.

If that’s your worst sin, you are doing very well.

And it’s not sin.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I would suggest natural family planning. Especially since you plan to try for a baby soon, I'm not sure why this is such a big deal right now. NFP is helpful anyways for learning about your body, and it will help you GET pregnant as much as AVOID getting pregnant. Just read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. It is not religious, not connect to CC. It is just science and important info about the female body. https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Anniversary/dp/0062326031/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LOGJP05COAFA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZYy0w0L9GiAkmKQuFtMIf1645s-MkMj8u6S9rpU8PDdbWOgTXgd6EnLhLnxgqUrZ2MvgqB1-s6DcE_aeJ8vnAbnru5tC8ZepzfF_HD8xInxLZbX_LN8BHK7XKe2Fk64aSmVS2dl62dgVumjv4tZLNg3OR63DM6UiN__yObPWmbhQrmCRVpZ9H7Ee6T7X8yQPA9UHGvKrA8QPV7qdSL17ztQ1hYBe44QnC8mEtzJW-4.hIelKD3f75I63HoHIqP7s3R5-OYtmleAuTQdabtyhGo&dib_tag=se&keywords=taking+control+of+your+fertility&qid=1756922947&sprefix=taking+control+of+your+fertility%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-1

I don't know about you, but I expect the success rate for contraceptives to be much, much higher than the success rate of conception. Saying it works as well for both suggests an awfully low bar.

The reason NFP works in both directions so to speak is that it identifies the “fertile window” of a relatively few days each month when a woman can become pregnant. If she wants to defer pregnancy, she avoids relations during that window. If she wants to become pregnant she times relations for when the target is in range. This latter approach is hardly unique to NFP users. Many women hoping to become pregnant use various methods to identify ovulation, such as test sticks.

Yes, and in practice it has a very high failure rate.

I would think anyone staunchly opposed to abortion would want to see highly effective contraception.

Did you read the “Humanae Vitae”someone else linked to earlier in this thread? It explains why the Catholic Church is opposed to both abortion and contraception. It’s pretty accurate in its predictions on how the widespread use of both would change society.
1) general moral degradation including an increase in infidelity, pre-marital pregnancy, and divorce.

2). The loss of respect for women and an increase in violence toward women.

3). Government/public authorities imposing contraception or sterilization on its citizens. This hasn’t happened in the western world, but there is certainly a social enforcement of contraceptive use for both married and unmarried women.

4). General loss of respect for human life including loss of respect for the elderly.

So, this makes sense on a social level. But I don’t know that it makes sense on an individual level when you live in a society where unplanned pregnancies, even within a marriage, are seen as almost immoral.

It makes sense on a social level? Really? Written by a celibate man in 1968- the time when unplanned pregnancies by unmarried women were seen as immoral, with children being sold into adoption after decades of doing this in Europe and here in the US. Maternity homes run by nuns in Ireland are filled with unmarked graves now found to contain baby corpses. Women shamed for being unmarried and pregnant, but men moving on with their lives and antics despite being married themselves. Don't even try to discuss infidelity- DNA has arrived to uncover the truth about how people behaved under the cloak of the seemingly married, pious, and the righteous. Yes, all those secrets are out now. You don't get an opportunity here to discuss what is moral in the slightest. You have ZERO voice.

So- sit TF down and stop talking about the sanctimony of human life when you aren't prepared to understand what that means. We are no longer listening to men, especially sanctimonious religious men who protected thousands upon thousands of priests while they raped and abused women and children all over the world for centuries- and are still doing it. The abuse, the subtrefuge, the murder, the hypocrisy, all in the name of God is epic and disgusting.

Women are in charge of their own bodies and their own life. They will not be judged, shamed, or labeled anymore. They have full worth whether they are unmarried, married, a parent or childless. It's time for the secrets, lies, abuse, misogyny to be over. So, sometimes that does come in the form of an IUD, and that has nothing to do with sin, priests, or any religion. We see where the sins are, and it's not an IUD.

OP, you keep your IUD and self worth.

Well stated, Thank you. DNA testing, i.e., science, has changed everything, as it should. People are no longer stuck in ignorance.

If the Catholic Church is going to claim that science interferes with god's will and divine design, then that philosophy should be consistently applied beyond women. But I'm sure the men in the Catholic Church find it much easier to tell women what they can and can't do than to accept the loss of antibiotics, cholesterol medication, and viagra.

The Catholic Church doesn’t say that science interferes with God’s will. The Catholic Church believes that it is the main purpose of human beings to fully connect with their humanity, body and soul. They believe that the body and soul are inherently connected, hence all of the kneeling and standing during prayers and the taking of Christ’s body into their own corporeal body.
The Catholic Church believes that sex between a man and a woman is inherently beautiful and a divine gift, and that part of what makes it beautiful is the possibility of creating life. Purposefully rendering yourself sterile in order to disconnect sex from procreation reduces its value and beauty for the couple.

The Catholic church has already connected with enough bodies. Little bodies.

Secondly, no, it's really not about being able to procreate. If that were true, infertile couples, older couples, gay couples ( yeah I said it), disabled couples should have no reason to have sex at all.
Yes, I already know their stance on LGTBQ, but, again, major hypocrisy.

No one said that sex is always about procreation. Just that it isn’t good for people to purposefully sterilize themselves so that they can uncouple sex and procreation.

Frankly, I don’t actually agree with this, but the discussion would be a lot more interesting if we could get on the same page.

The Catholic Church believes that sex between a man and a woman is inherently beautiful and a divine gift, and that part of what makes it beautiful is the possibility of creating life. Purposefully rendering yourself sterile in order to disconnect sex from procreation reduces its value and beauty for the couple.

Is there any misunderstanding here? I think not. Stop gaslighting.