What happens to unborn babies?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

DP.

I find it interesting how you think God's killing in a miscarriage or infancy is merciful, but a human killing others is "anger at God." Who was God mad at to kill a fetus or infant or child with a fatal disease?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

DP.

I find it interesting how you think God's killing in a miscarriage or infancy is merciful, but a human killing others is "anger at God." Who was God mad at to kill a fetus or infant or child with a fatal disease?

DP. So, in your opinion, people dying from natural causes = God killing them. You believe that God murders everyone, unless they are murdered by other humans? Thank you for your valuable insight into the killer's motives.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

DP.

I find it interesting how you think God's killing in a miscarriage or infancy is merciful, but a human killing others is "anger at God." Who was God mad at to kill a fetus or infant or child with a fatal disease?

DP. So, in your opinion, people dying from natural causes = God killing them. You believe that God murders everyone, unless they are murdered by other humans? Thank you for your valuable insight into the killer's motives.

So God can't stop SIDS? Pediatric cancer?

Who created cancer, if not God?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

DP.

I find it interesting how you think God's killing in a miscarriage or infancy is merciful, but a human killing others is "anger at God." Who was God mad at to kill a fetus or infant or child with a fatal disease?

DP. So, in your opinion, people dying from natural causes = God killing them. You believe that God murders everyone, unless they are murdered by other humans? Thank you for your valuable insight into the killer's motives.

So God can't stop SIDS? Pediatric cancer?

Who created cancer, if not God?

DP. You're clearly mad at God because death exists. But theodicy is not the point of this thread, which was started by a grieving mother. Go start a new thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

DP.

I find it interesting how you think God's killing in a miscarriage or infancy is merciful, but a human killing others is "anger at God." Who was God mad at to kill a fetus or infant or child with a fatal disease?

DP. So, in your opinion, people dying from natural causes = God killing them. You believe that God murders everyone, unless they are murdered by other humans? Thank you for your valuable insight into the killer's motives.

So God can't stop SIDS? Pediatric cancer?

Who created cancer, if not God?

DP. You're clearly mad at God because death exists. But theodicy is not the point of this thread, which was started by a grieving mother. Go start a new thread.

I'm not mad at God at all - I don't believe in any creator being (and I wasn't raised Christian). To live means to die, for everything and everyone. But I'm asking about your response - if humans can deliberately kill out of hate, why can't God do the same?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Mom of 3 with 6 other losses. A friend who lost her baby as a stillborn expressed the hope that they would reunite in the afterlife and that hopefully her children aren't waiting long in their reality for the years she has left here.

I desperately wanted every pregnancy that I lost and while some were late none were as late as hers. What do you think happens to me in the afterlife? Do the 6 children meet me? In what form?

Are you religious? What does your faith tradition say about this subject?

Do you think an anonymous online forum is going to give you the answer you need to process this question?

Christians believe stillborn babies go to heaven due to God's mercy and the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

In the Christian belief, bodies in heaven will be transformed, physical, and perfect, resembling the glorious body of the resurrected Jesus. These resurrected bodies will be immortal and incorruptible, free from disease, aging, pain, and sin, while still allowing for recognition of others.

This is from the pov of most Christians.

Most Christian denominations or just fundamentalist Christians, who tend to just call themselves "Christian."?

As a Christian whose beliefs are far from fundamentalist, I would say that this is what I believe. It's what my Catholic family members believe. This is one of the few things most Christians agree upon, with some exceptions like Christian Scientists or LDS.

Where there is disagreement, is on who else is there, and whether there's another place where other people are called Hell.

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Anonymous wrote:God makes no mistakes. An unborn baby was supposed to be unborn. Of course it would go to Heaven.

So you don't believe in free will?

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody will have a different answer. It depends in part on religion and upbringing. I’m Jewish so I was raised that there is no afterlife. I think believing in one can be very comforting though. I suggest talking to your clergy.

I didn't realize that. I'm not necessarily looking for a definitive answer, but just what others believe. I have a hard time conceptualizing what it means to meet someone in an afterlife that you didn't really meet alive.

I am agnostic but feel that if there is an afterlife with souls that we would most likely be reincarnated to be around our family/the other souls we like to travel with through eternity. I also like the idea of children seeking to be born to their family. So I would wonder if unborn children would be fewer than the number of pregnancies because maybe it would be just one or two souls looking for a chance to rejoin you in the physical world. I think if you met your children in the afterlife you would feel a sense of love. However souls commune. Babies in the womb do start to recognize aspects of their mother as they develop. Also, mothers apparently carry some fetal cells for life (fetal microchimerism). I can see there being amazing possibilities for recognition.

I wish you peace of mind and the reunion you seek.

The Catholic Church would likely say that since the miscarriages hadn't been baptized, they would be in hell. Or maybe they just go nowhere. Don't know. Best for you to ask a clergy person of your particular faith, as faiths vary as to where the unborn babies end up.

It's very simple for atheists, we just die, like Jews apparently do and like all other living things. Seems like no one worries about the dead animals, except maybe some dogs that they were attached to.

I was raised Catholic and was told the unborn babies are in purgatory.

limbo

St Thomas said a fetus is not a baby until quickening with is 40 days for females and 90 days for males. So there is no soul to meet until that time. I don't think he got the timing right but I do thing there is a point a fetus has a soul.

A soul has salvation if it does not get baptized at no fault of their own. (Limbo was never official Catholic doctrine but was fun while it lasted)

I believe certain souls choose a short life, so they were alive as long as they wanted to be.

I also think this is purgatory and if we get it right we gain salvation (even without baptism, nod to my non Catholic friends) and if we don't we recycle through this world again to try to "get it right". Poor MAGA gonna be going through the cycle for a long time or perhaps they have been going through the cycle for a long time already.

They might be there or maybe they are on a new cycle but you should able to see them in whatever cycle they are currently in if you are in heaven or maybe you will need to do a new cycle. IDK.

“ if we get it right we gain salvation (even without baptism, nod to my non Catholic friends) and if we don't we recycle through this world again to try to "get it right"

This ^ is also basically Hindu philosophy at its core. The soul is eternal. The goal is salvation and merging with the divine. And rebirth until the soul gets it right by realizing it is not the same as the body, which is just a mortal coil, but rather an immortal, eternal essence—unchanging, indestructible, and divine. So death is not the end, but a transition on the journey to salvation.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

DP.

I find it interesting how you think God's killing in a miscarriage or infancy is merciful, but a human killing others is "anger at God." Who was God mad at to kill a fetus or infant or child with a fatal disease?

DP. So, in your opinion, people dying from natural causes = God killing them. You believe that God murders everyone, unless they are murdered by other humans? Thank you for your valuable insight into the killer's motives.

So God can't stop SIDS? Pediatric cancer?

Who created cancer, if not God?

DP. You're clearly mad at God because death exists. But theodicy is not the point of this thread, which was started by a grieving mother. Go start a new thread.

I'm not mad at God at all - I don't believe in any creator being (and I wasn't raised Christian). To live means to die, for everything and everyone. But I'm asking about your response - if humans can deliberately kill out of hate, why can't God do the same?

You want an entity you don’t believe exists to do something?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.