Camp Mystic expanded on FEMA-designated floodplain, refused to buy insurance, had 100-year flood at age 99

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

Why would a Biden voter watch Hannity?!

Because they are confused and dumb as a rock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

A warning system would have saved virtually every life lost in this flood. The county chose not to take the money for a warning system. So yes, the money not taken was 100% responsible for the lives lost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

That's why we have weather alerts, so we don't have to depend on our inadequately informed selves or our imagination to protect ourselves.

I worked in a nursing home during college in the 90s. We were required to have a weather alert radio. Lived in the northern tier midwest where serious weather emergencies are rare compared to many other areas of the US but it was always on, could run on batteries, ran afaik on AM/FM radio bands, maybe shortwave as well, didn't need cell towers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

A warning system would have saved virtually every life lost in this flood. The county chose not to take the money for a warning system. So yes, the money not taken was 100% responsible for the lives lost.

Not putting cabins for children to sleep in right smack dab in an area clearly designated on maps as a high risk flood zone would have saved many lives too, but of course Texas conservative "yabut that flood map is just some liberal red tape bullcrap" mentality got in the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

A warning system would have saved virtually every life lost in this flood. The county chose not to take the money for a warning system. So yes, the money not taken was 100% responsible for the lives lost.

Not putting cabins for children to sleep in right smack dab in an area clearly designated on maps as a high risk flood zone would have saved many lives too, but of course Texas conservative "yabut that flood map is just some liberal red tape bullcrap" mentality got in the way.

Exactly. “Don’t let the government tell you want to do!” They repeatedly filed for exemptions and finally got them. Heaven forbid they believe that an expert might know more than they do and that maybe the government really can and does work for the public good.

[Anonymous]

The Hunt/Ingram area is artsy and cool relative to other rural Texas areas. Kerr County as a whole is certainly red and MAGA-ish. The more affluent from other areas (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio) who own river homes and ranches in the area are less so. The families who send kids to the area for summer camps are a politically mixed bag.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your statement is icky and gross. Everyone charge in Texas failed due to stupidity and rallying against science and Intelligence aka being republican. 27 children are dead. Hope that feels good to you and the other fruit loop cultists. Thoughts and prayers. MAGA.

Go back to your MAGA poop hole and worship your orange God you toothless hillbilly. Just kidding, I forgive you. Next time, just think and have empathy for victims and their families before spewing a bunch of garbage about a tragedy you know nothing about.

We can get through these times with love, compassion, and empathy.

The republican thoughts and prayers will absolutely help us get through these times. Tell that to the girls parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your statement is icky and gross. Everyone charge in Texas failed due to stupidity and rallying against science and Intelligence aka being republican. 27 children are dead. Hope that feels good to you and the other fruit loop cultists. Thoughts and prayers. MAGA.

Go back to your MAGA poop hole and worship your orange God you toothless hillbilly. Just kidding, I forgive you. Next time, just think and have empathy for victims and their families before spewing a bunch of garbage about a tragedy you know nothing about.

We can get through these times with love, compassion, and empathy.

The republican thoughts and prayers will absolutely help us get through these times. Tell that to the girls parents.

Love, compassion, and empathy are real tangible things that can be passed on to those in need. Your "thoughts and prayers" are a useless cop out to doing anything real to help people in need, dimwit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your statement is icky and gross. Everyone charge in Texas failed due to stupidity and rallying against science and Intelligence aka being republican. 27 children are dead. Hope that feels good to you and the other fruit loop cultists. Thoughts and prayers. MAGA.

Go back to your MAGA poop hole and worship your orange God you toothless hillbilly. Just kidding, I forgive you. Next time, just think and have empathy for victims and their families before spewing a bunch of garbage about a tragedy you know nothing about.

We can get through these times with love, compassion, and empathy.

The republican thoughts and prayers will absolutely help us get through these times. Tell that to the girls parents.

Love, compassion, and empathy are real tangible things that can be passed on to those in need. Your "thoughts and prayers" are a useless cop out to doing anything real to help people in need, dimwit.

I think PP was being sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your statement is icky and gross. Everyone charge in Texas failed due to stupidity and rallying against science and Intelligence aka being republican. 27 children are dead. Hope that feels good to you and the other fruit loop cultists. Thoughts and prayers. MAGA.

Go back to your MAGA poop hole and worship your orange God you toothless hillbilly. Just kidding, I forgive you. Next time, just think and have empathy for victims and their families before spewing a bunch of garbage about a tragedy you know nothing about.

We can get through these times with love, compassion, and empathy.

The republican thoughts and prayers will absolutely help us get through these times. Tell that to the girls parents.

Love, compassion, and empathy are real tangible things that can be passed on to those in need. Your "thoughts and prayers" are a useless cop out to doing anything real to help people in need, dimwit.

Its what we get after every mass shooting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your statement is icky and gross. Everyone charge in Texas failed due to stupidity and rallying against science and Intelligence aka being republican. 27 children are dead. Hope that feels good to you and the other fruit loop cultists. Thoughts and prayers. MAGA.

Go back to your MAGA poop hole and worship your orange God you toothless hillbilly. Just kidding, I forgive you. Next time, just think and have empathy for victims and their families before spewing a bunch of garbage about a tragedy you know nothing about.

We can get through these times with love, compassion, and empathy.

The republican thoughts and prayers will absolutely help us get through these times. Tell that to the girls parents.

Love, compassion, and empathy are real tangible things that can be passed on to those in need. Your "thoughts and prayers" are a useless cop out to doing anything real to help people in need, dimwit.

Its what we get after every mass shooting.

From the good people in this world, yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Logically, that area is now safe for another 100 years.

100 years of flood history Guadalupe River.
The flood of July 2, 1932- crest 39.00 feet.
The flood of July 17, 1987- crest of 37.72 feet.
The flood on July 4, 2025- crest of 34.29 feet.

Major floods also occurred in 1972- 31 feet, 1978-31 feet, 1991 -30 feet and 1997. The 1998 flood was particularly significant downstream from Canyon Lake Dam.

The Guadalupe River basin has a history of devastating floods, earning the nickname "Flash Flood Alley".

Bottom line. No one could have predicted this.

Did you forget the /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

A warning system would have saved virtually every life lost in this flood. The county chose not to take the money for a warning system. So yes, the money not taken was 100% responsible for the lives lost.

Not putting cabins for children to sleep in right smack dab in an area clearly designated on maps as a high risk flood zone would have saved many lives too, but of course Texas conservative "yabut that flood map is just some liberal red tape bullcrap" mentality got in the way.

And then declining the flood alert money because it's evil democrat money and spending it on the Kerr sheriff's department didn't save any lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My Jesus camp in Florida was on a small lake where they put all the problem alligators from central Florida. A problem gator is one who is too accustomed to being around humans.

The first night of camp, we sat through a 45 min explanation of gator behavior and how to avoid being eaten.

That sounds like Kamp Krusty from The Simpsons.

LOL!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Camp Mystic expanded on FEMA-designated floodplain, refused to buy insurance, had 100-year flood at age 99

This was no accident. For decades, Camp Mystic was designated at high risk for 100 years flood.

The owners pressured FEMA to remove the designation so they could cheap out on insurance payments hide the danger from the children their reckless negligence killed.

(Obama's FEMA let them do it, and Trump's FEMA doubled down.)

That 100-year flood game at age 99 for the camp.

They knew all along.

Why? Did they put faith in their interventionist Christian God to protect them? Did they believe that dying in a natural disaster is good because it brings people to Heaven? Or are they just greedy people who care more for money than life?

My MAGA neighbor thinks the increased floodplain lines are woke government acting on bad faith. I'm hopeful this shuts her up for the next decade on the subject.


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