Camp Mystic expanded on FEMA-designated floodplain, refused to buy insurance, had 100-year flood at age 99

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Anonymous wrote:My MAGA neighbor thinks the increased floodplain lines are woke government acting on bad faith. I'm hopeful this shuts her up for the next decade on the subject.

It doesn't matter whether she shuts up or not. The floodplains are going to flood. More often and more severely.

Exactly this. Floodplains don't care who you are, don't care what your politics are, don't care what your religion is, or anything else. They're gonna flood, period. You might as well be howling at the moon to try and argue about flood plains.

+1 Same for hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, and wildfires.

Good luck finding somewhere that no natural disasters can happen.

PP here...exactly!

There are many fewer natural disasters in the DMV area than in the Texas flood alley. I would like to think I would do more research on where to send my young daughter to camp if I lived in Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:My MAGA neighbor thinks the increased floodplain lines are woke government acting on bad faith. I'm hopeful this shuts her up for the next decade on the subject.

It doesn't matter whether she shuts up or not. The floodplains are going to flood. More often and more severely.

Exactly this. Floodplains don't care who you are, don't care what your politics are, don't care what your religion is, or anything else. They're gonna flood, period. You might as well be howling at the moon to try and argue about flood plains.

Reality has a well-known liberal bias. The supernatural Kingdom of God favors the faithful. His natural work of Creation favors naturalists.

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No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

They chose these religious camps because God, legacy, show of wealth, and beer. Ship ‘em off to God camp for a month so they could party with abandon. God will keep them safe. But God gave us free will. Free will means keeping your kids safe. Free will means demanding your tax dollars are used to keep your kids safe. Free will means demanding Governor Abbott keeps your kids safe from extreme weather events, mass shootings, and abduction (highest rate in country).

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

No. Liberals wouldn’t ignore flood zone maps, safety protocol, vetting directors, vetting security, vetting counselors, doing background checks & sex offender list, life jackets, emergency communication radios, all phones remain in cabins with easy access for kids, counselors have cell and radio coms at all times. Evacuation plan!

That's the problem with the right wing. They somehow think their political ideology somehow supersedes the laws of physics. They think they can talk about "states rights" when it comes to issues like air or water pollution, as if the wind will suddenly stop blowing at the man-made state border and not carry pollutants across it, or that somehow water borne pollutants will somehow magically stop at the state line. They think they can magically make climate change into a hoax by decree, or legislation, or by defiantly holding up a snowball on the floor of Congress on a February morning. Sorry but that's not how the laws of physics work. They heed no man. And here Republicans think that if they ignore the forces of nature and it ends up wreaking havoc on them that it must be because of evil liberal politics because heaven forbid it could have been that they ignored the forces of nature.

All of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

Prosperity Gospel. God wants me to be rich, and wants those girls in heaven.

Not only did they know the cabins were too close, for years they tried to have the maps changed, get exemptions, have their cabins not shown on the maps, as if that was somehow going to magically change the physics of water flow.

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So deeply sad.

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Where can you find flood and other disaster maps for the DMV? Does DCUM know the flood/disaster risks in its area? If DC gets hit by a nuclear bomb, people will look at DC area residents and say how dumb they were for living near the Capitol when it is an obviousmajor target. Should’ve know better.

Camp Mystic should not have operated on a flood plain. A lot of blame to go around in this case.

At some point, however, you run out of places with minimal risk. Look at people living in the flood plains around the Mississipp River. Many poor people forced by economics to live in the danger zone. Many rich people along the east coast in hurricane zones. Wild fire zones like in LA.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can you find flood and other disaster maps for the DMV? Does DCUM know the flood/disaster risks in its area? If DC gets hit by a nuclear bomb, people will look at DC area residents and say how dumb they were for living near the Capitol when it is an obviousmajor target. Should’ve know better.

Camp Mystic should not have operated on a flood plain. A lot of blame to go around in this case.

At some point, however, you run out of places with minimal risk. Look at people living in the flood plains around the Mississipp River. Many poor people forced by economics to live in the danger zone. Many rich people along the east coast in hurricane zones. Wild fire zones like in LA.

FEMA website has these maps and has for at least 25 years, unless Trump has taken them down.

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Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

The DID have time this respond. They had three hours. Don’t make excuses for them. Kerr county failed their residents and those campers. Because they’re too stubborn and ignorant to believe the government could actually be helpful. They could have sent every cell phone an Amber Alert type alarm two hours earlier, they could have installed flood alarms, they could have denied Mystic’s building permits when they renovated.

MAGA are just perpetually adolescent and can’t stand being told what to do. And rather than accept that they made mistakes and were wrong, they’re pretending like nothing could have been done. No.

True. There WERE people whose job it was to imagine and determine that a river could flood that fast. DOGE and Trump and Stephen Miller and Elon Musk fired these smart people.

The blood is on the hands of Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know but one of the parents of a child who died said ‘it was an act of God, they had no way of knowing this would happen’. But yes, they did.

I’m sickened

They’ll just pop out more kids.

According to the birthers, we are supposed to have more babies. I guess this is so they can be killed in floods due to the negligence of the people promoting more births.

Make this make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what do you think about people and businesses with buildings/homes in hurricane zones?

I'm not OP, but I think they're incredibly stupid and shouldn't be allowed to have insurance, or put responders lives at risk when disaster strikes.

Agree. I worked in disaster relief. People would not leave dangerous situations. They would be told to have three days worth of water and food if they were going to stay. Guess who called crying that no one was coming to save them on day one? It can take three days to cut through trees to reach people or to remove other debris. That is one reason why the disaster experts say to evacuate, but we always have these stubborn people who want to make others risk their own lives to save them.

If you want to live in these places, don't come crying when your house is gone.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a thinly veiled swipe at Christians. Take your idiotic trolling somewhere else.

Evangelicals deserve it. They are a cult.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know but one of the parents of a child who died said ‘it was an act of God, they had no way of knowing this would happen’. But yes, they did.

I’m sickened

If you grew up in a very religious southern household, this would not surprise you.

I will not trauma-dump, but the parents' attitudes isn't surprising. The attitudes of the camp owners isn't surprising either.

Innocent kids paid the price for adult ignorance and arrogance, which is a tale as old as time.

I met several people writing about the abuse they suffered at evangelical camps for kids on islands or in very hot areas. There are little chance of escape. If you don't know how bad this evangelical world is, I suggest following some people who escaped or reading their books.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a thinly veiled swipe at Christians. Take your idiotic trolling somewhere else.

Evangelicals deserve it. They are a cult.

Clearly, you and several others here are ejoying your participation in this thread-- not to express concern or empathy but to bash southerners and Christians in your "bubble. Disgusting behavior, whatever your beliefs may be.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a thinly veiled swipe at Christians. Take your idiotic trolling somewhere else.

Evangelicals deserve it. They are a cult.

Clearly, you and several others here are ejoying your participation in this thread-- not to express concern or empathy but to bash southerners and Christians in your "bubble. Disgusting behavior, whatever your beliefs may be.

People are bashing the folks that put this administration in power. Why aren't you? This administration is destructive and harmful to all of our families, not just the families that suffered this tragedy.

Where is Maga to speak up about what we're going to do about these catastrophic flooding events that are continuing to happen more frequency and ferocity? I'm just reading wham comments that we are helpless in the face of these tragedies. It's completely legitimate to resist that destructive view. Why do you defend it?

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a thinly veiled swipe at Christians. Take your idiotic trolling somewhere else.

Evangelicals deserve it. They are a cult.

Clearly, you and several others here are ejoying your participation in this thread-- not to express concern or empathy but to bash southerners and Christians in your "bubble. Disgusting behavior, whatever your beliefs may be.

This is the internet. That person is likely trolling for a reaction and not a normal person expressing a honest opinion. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.