Camp Mystic expanded on FEMA-designated floodplain, refused to buy insurance, had 100-year flood at age 99

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

LOL just a few minutes ago you were 100% okay with a nearly 80% very very conservative area and that was fine with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

LOL just a few minutes ago you were 100% okay with a nearly 80% very very conservative area and that was fine with you.

No, I'm a different poster; I just can't stand the hypocrisy and politicization of a tragedy on this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

Ummm... Find me a nearly 80% liberal area where they don't believe in weather service forecasts, where they ignore flood warnings, were they want to defund NOAA, where they don't believe in climate change or FEMA flood maps, and where if a preventable disaster kills 130 people they just shrug and say "it's God's will" and maybe you might have a point to make here?

You're exaggerating certain responses and decisions and also ignoring the tragedies that have occurred in very liberal areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

That's the problem with the right wing. They somehow think their political ideology somehow supersedes the laws of physics. They think they can talk about "states rights" when it comes to issues like air or water pollution, as if the wind will suddenly stop blowing at the man-made state border and not carry pollutants across it, or that somehow water borne pollutants will somehow magically stop at the state line. They think they can magically make climate change into a hoax by decree, or legislation, or by defiantly holding up a snowball on the floor of Congress on a February morning. Sorry but that's not how the laws of physics work. They heed no man. And here Republicans think that if they ignore the forces of nature and it ends up wreaking havoc on them that it must be because of evil liberal politics because heaven forbid it could have been that they ignored the forces of nature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

The PP is part of the MAGA wannabe crowd who just want to troll and cause a ruckus. They are just as obnoxious as MAGA and will politicize any tragedy to get their kicks. Slimeballs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

No, they are not politically balanced. Kerr County where the tragedy and most of the deaths happened voted 77.71% Trump. I find it truly weird and perhaps icky in itself that your idea of "politically balanced" is nearly 80% MAGA.

But you're okay with a nearly 80% very very liberal area? Is that kind of "politically balanced" area just fine with you, and you only politicize tragedies that occur in conservative voting areas?

Ummm... Find me a nearly 80% liberal area where they don't believe in weather service forecasts, where they ignore flood warnings, were they want to defund NOAA, where they don't believe in climate change or FEMA flood maps, and where if a preventable disaster kills 130 people they just shrug and say "it's God's will" and maybe you might have a point to make here?

You're exaggerating certain responses and decisions and also ignoring the tragedies that have occurred in very liberal areas.

Gosh darn it, Trump was right, California should have raked its 33 million acres of forests to prevent wildfires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

YOU ARR 100% WRONG.

Except that I have friends and family in Texas who are not what anyone would refer to as MAGA. Is politicizing a tragedy when at the core you really don't know what you're talking about really the hill you want to die on? If so, you may as well join the MAGA cult you fruit loop.

Yes yes yes we all have a friend or some family in Austin or one of the other cities that have blue voters. But those are nothing at all like the red counties of Texas which are very very conservative, lacking much political balance or diversity whatsoever. You are telling me without telling me that you don't really know Texas despite having friends and family in Texas.

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There’s an interview with county officials where they say they made their safety decisions BASED on politics. Literally said that accepting money from Biden was making a “deal with the devil” but ultimately took it JUST so California couldn’t get it.

It’s not unreasonable to discuss the role that religion and politics played in these deaths.

[Anonymous]

A yahoo user said on a very damning article on the site about the owner said her brother is a camp owner nearby and they have someone posted at the River all night long, when it rains and they wake up the kids if it looks right and move them to higher ground. The kids, she said, also go through drills in this cabins. Who knows if they did it at Camp Mystic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was predicted - through 1. long term climate models as an inevitable eventuality, with increasing statistical frequency due to human-caused climate change, as well as 2. immediate storm risk from the weather service, in the days and hours ahead of the actual storm event.

They were given every opportunity to prepare, through FEMA flood maps that told them the area was risky, which they shrugged off and dismissed as dumb liberal red tape, what's the harm, it's just a summer camp for kids - EXACTLY the issue, that it is a summer camp for kids - kids who would have a hard time being able to evacuate themselves from a flood.

They were offered funding to improve notification systems, but declined to spend it, because warning sirens are woke, or pansy nanny state crap for gays, or commie big government meant to control us, or whatever other inane garbage that rattles through the heads of Texas MAGAs.

Stop defending them. Stop shrugging this off. This was not "god's will" or "nobody could have forseen this" or "nobody could have prevented it" - it was totally preventable and is entirely the fault of irresponsible people making irresponsible decisions. And that needs to be made known, and it needs to change. Not just in Texas Hill Country, but all of America.

I may agree with you to some extent but that area of Texas and the folks making those decisions are actually politically balanced and far from what we refer to as MAGA country and that fact makes your entire statement feel icky and gross.

YOU ARR 100% WRONG.

Except that I have friends and family in Texas who are not what anyone would refer to as MAGA. Is politicizing a tragedy when at the core you really don't know what you're talking about really the hill you want to die on? If so, you may as well join the MAGA cult you fruit loop.

LOL, politicizing a tragedy. It isn't a tragedy when it was entirely predictable and preventable. It is akin to murder or sacrifice on behalf of the Evangelicals. same with Uvalde. The GOP doesn't give a crap about kids or making life better for people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

Can you specifically point out where in my post I said anything political? I didn’t. That was the first time I posted on this thread.

I read a Yahoo article about them specifically building cabins on higher ground and it was pointed out that a survey would show the old cabins in a flood zone. Also, you seem to completely have missed my point that he had to have his wife airlifted out when she was pregnant because they were trapped. I’m sorry, that’s complete negligence to hold a camp there after something so dramatic.

Laura Bush was associated with the camp. There was tons of money there. Look at the photos of the cabin. Before I knew about Laura I could see it was outfitted with Roberta Roller Rabbit and other very expensive bedding. It was high end. They could have fundraised for new cabins.

My point stands: it was greed and negligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I expect they were thinking that it doesn't matter if a camp cabin gets flooded -- they could just dry it out or build a new one.

They did not imagine the river level rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, what was a more of a tsunami than the typical flash flood.

That's not an excuse. We all need to adjust our expectations dramatically for the world under climate change.

But they could have responded to a 'normal' hundred year flood. This new mega-flash version gave them no chance to respond.

They knew those cabins were too close to the river. The owner had to get wife airlifted out of there years ago when she was pregnant. Then there was the earlier flood that killed camp kids down the river. There were so many failures, but many of them rest on the owner. This was an expensive camp filled with wealthy kids that expanded on higher ground. It was greed and incompetence.

You're not getting the big picture and it's making you sound like a complete and utter jerk of an idiot. Of course there were failures and of course 99% of the loss of life could have been prevented. This was a significant flash flood event occurrence that impact many camps and residential areas across several counties. Hundreds of people died. Tens of thousands of people in harms way were rescued or made it to safe ground. You're making an assumption that the negligence and incompetence that impacted one or two camps was part of region wide public safety failures that are tied to some political ideologies??

This type of flooding event covering a vast area would have similar tragic outcomes if it happened anywhere in the country in similarly populated areas. Grow up.

I am a DP to who you are responding to.

It is political ideology when a county refuses money from Biden for an alert system because it was Biden. And that is what happened here. 100% political and foolish and a lot of people died needlessly.

Money the county did or didn't take was not what created a circumstance where this tragedy was possible at Camp Mystic. Don't you have some tobacco to chew and Hannity to watch you two-bit fruitcake?

Why would a Biden voter watch Hannity?!