Why does Gen Z hate Trump so much?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

You can start fixing the problem but not denying that there is a problem. The Democratic platform seems to be "we're perfect and if you don't agree, you're a nazi". Do better.

--signed a lifelong Democrat who would never vote for Trump

Okay. I'll play along, and admit we have a problem. So what could the Democratic party do to make itself more attractive to GenZ males? Biden proposed college debt relief, and advocated for trade school training. He funded infrastructure projects that would put Americans to work. But you're suggesting that isn't enough. What specifically would you like to see from the next Democratic candidate that would say "we made a mistake and here's how we're going to make you welcome in the party?"

I think a start would be recognizing that just because someone doesn't agree with everything the Dems believe does not make them the enemy. And it doesn't make them a racist, nazi, homophobe, etc. A good percentage of GenZ are still children. And they are still trying to feel their way when it comes to what they believe and how they feel. So cut them some slack if they are still trying to decide where they fall on certain issues and listen to what they say instead of dismissing them.

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CNN? Gen z does not watch CNN Gen z is currently aged 13 to 28. These people are dealing with high School, college and grad school, recent graduates seeking employment or recently employed. He's doing nothing to help these groups. He has no respect for them and I think they are returning the lack of respect.

Trump is helping these people, just not with coddling and handouts.
Their lack of respect is due to their lack of a father figure in the home. GenZ is the Divorced Parents Generation. They need a daddy. Trump is that daddy.

They're going to have to pay back the huge debt he just put on the country.

No, they are going to have to pay back huge student loan debt incurred to obtain degrees with no marketable skills. See Charlie Kirk on that.

He is damaging the economy just when they need to enter into it and get jobs.

Trump’s tariffs have put billions into the government treasury. It will take dome time for the American economy to bring offshore jobs back home. Short term pain, long term gain.

He pretends the climate change doesn't exist.

Trump knows the climate has changed numerous times before humans were in any great numbers.

One of Trump’s pet peeves is whining. Climate whiners have ticked off Trump, as well as a large number of Americans, who have had enough of these Chicken Little Climate Whiners, the majority of whom are Democrats.

The sky is not falling. Americans are enraged at being blamed for Global Warming/Climate Doom.

See also Charlie Kirk on this matter.

He's trashing education, trashing the department of education, beating on colleges and universities.... These are the things that are right now important to this age group and he's smacking them around.

Universities have largely become a scam, peddling worthless degrees which do not equip a person with marketable skills to earn a living.

Again, see Charlie Kirk.

They now enjoy less rights than their parents, did not more, thanks to his scotus picks and he brags about that.

Let me get the fainting couch for you. Pushing back against Leftist bs is not taking away rights.

He is harassing and deporting family members of their friends and family

Because previous administrations did not have the guts to enforce our immigration laws, Trump has had to step in and put the Fear of God into these lawless infiltrators.

Break out immigration laws? Trump is kicking your ass out of our country. This is why Trump was elected but all milquetoast Democrats can do is call him a meanie for enforcing the law.

As someone in business, many of our companies are CLOSING manufacturing facilities. Tariffs mean that companies can't expand if they don't know the impact of the tariffs. You can't finance and reshore if you don't have stability. Small companies are closing b/c the tariffs are having a huge impact. Only someone who listens to Charlie Kirk and watches FOX news would believe that a company is bringing manufacturing back to the US under these circumstances. You clearly have no idea how business works.

No matter what Charlie Kirk says, college is still the better investment by a long shot. Companies are not hiring right now. Too much uncertainty.

Any one who quotes a moron like Charlie Kirk can't win an intelligent argument. At least have the decency to quote an economist.

As someone also “in business” - I need smart people who can turn wrenches, not smart people who can develop yet another app for finding a place to get your car repaired. We need people who can do the repairs. Not a generation of people who can write code.

As someone also “in business” - I need smart people who can turn wrenches.

What business are you in? Are you pretending to be someone who owns an auto repair shop? #MAGAfantasyLife

Why would I need to pretend to own a business as commonplace and ordinary as a service shop? Don’t get me wrong - there’s nothing I’d rather be doing - but it’s not exactly a humblebrag, kitten. I turn wrenches on cars because your husband is too dumb to do it himself. So I make a comfortable parasitic living doing the stuff you can’t do yourself.

And the funny thing is, I’d never hire your kid, because he’s guaranteed to be as inept as his parents. So one day he’s gonna be paying my sons for the stuff he’s too dumb to himself, just like dad.

Generational stupidity you might say. I swim in yours like a pool.

What’s with the attitude? Would you feel comfortable going to a doctor who called you pathetic and too dumb to fix your own broken leg, and told you that your kids were equally stupid and inept and unhireable, and crowed about all the money he was making off the rubes too stupid to go to medical school? Of course not. So why do you think that’s a good way to treat your customers?

Everyone has specialized skills that other people don’t have. It’s called an economy.

I don’t know how you can reach all the way around to pat yourself on the back, what with that giant chip on your shoulder.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

I have two of them and know all of their friends both from high school and college.

They ALL hate Trump.

They just tell you that so you won’t screech and scream like a harpy, spittle flying from your mouth yelling about Trump and cursing everyone who voted for him.

They know if they even hint a glimmer of supporting Trump, you will explode with venom and bile.

All people, regardless the generation, don’t want to be around people like that.

The inside of your head is a disturbing place.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

Exactly!

The Dem president = white man
Several Dem cabinet members = white men
Majority of Dem governors = white men
Tons of Dem elected Congress (maybe majority??) = white men

How could anyone claim that with a straight face?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

You can start fixing the problem but not denying that there is a problem. The Democratic platform seems to be "we're perfect and if you don't agree, you're a nazi". Do better.

--signed a lifelong Democrat who would never vote for Trump

Okay. I'll play along, and admit we have a problem. So what could the Democratic party do to make itself more attractive to GenZ males? Biden proposed college debt relief, and advocated for trade school training. He funded infrastructure projects that would put Americans to work. But you're suggesting that isn't enough. What specifically would you like to see from the next Democratic candidate that would say "we made a mistake and here's how we're going to make you welcome in the party?"

DP. Your response demonstrates how out of touch Democrats are with Gen Z men, which was reflected in the shocking movement of Gen Z male voters to Trump. Breaking it down:

College debt relief is only persuasive to people who want to go to college and view it as valuable, which is an increasingly small percentage of the Gen Z male population. Also, it’s perceived as a handout to people who are already rich, again not something that will appeal to young Gen Z men.

Infrastructure projects are mostly useless for Gen Z men. Those jobs are unionized and largely unavailable to the same group. If they even care about the infrastructure bill, they view it as a giveaway to boomers and Gen X.

What should Democrats do to attract Gen Z men back? Focus on jobs creation for jobs they can actually get, not union gifts. For instance, build up the military, rethink a GI bill type of approach. Celebrate blue collar work, don’t disparage it. (I remain convinced that Trump’s genuine pleasure in his McDonald’s campaign was a turning point for a lot of Gen Z men, who saw a man who respected jobs they can get and perform, while the Democrats mocked the jobs.) Drop the incessant identitarianism, it’s incredibly off-putting. Drop the insanity that is defending trans women in women’s sports, it’s a hugely alienating issue for a lot of Gen Z men. Drop blind allegiance to Netanyahu.

Do that, and you might get Gen Z men back.

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They are accustomed to feckless, impotent authority figures who dither & don’t act decisively.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

not really- I have nephews who are south asian males and they are squarely in this camp. they are UMC and have been hearing about 'girl power' and boys are too "negative trait here" all there lives and they are SOOO over it plus they think the whole women can have it all is not working and that government is not working and whatever the old people in government have been doing is a scam. these are kids who are going to grad school at ivies or med school , so they have very promising futures and they hate trump b/c he is creating instability but they also hate ALL of the democrats. so I think its spot on and include black young men in here as well. they think the democrats are demented scam artists and the repeublicans are just a-holes but at least they aren't liars like the dems who lie and pretend they aren't scammers.

You don’t call them out for acting like toxic white boys? You don’t call out the misogyny? What’s wrong with you? They’re at ivies, the irony is staggering.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

You can start fixing the problem but not denying that there is a problem. The Democratic platform seems to be "we're perfect and if you don't agree, you're a nazi". Do better.

--signed a lifelong Democrat who would never vote for Trump

Okay. I'll play along, and admit we have a problem. So what could the Democratic party do to make itself more attractive to GenZ males? Biden proposed college debt relief, and advocated for trade school training. He funded infrastructure projects that would put Americans to work. But you're suggesting that isn't enough. What specifically would you like to see from the next Democratic candidate that would say "we made a mistake and here's how we're going to make you welcome in the party?"

DP. Your response demonstrates how out of touch Democrats are with Gen Z men, which was reflected in the shocking movement of Gen Z male voters to Trump. Breaking it down:

College debt relief is only persuasive to people who want to go to college and view it as valuable, which is an increasingly small percentage of the Gen Z male population. Also, it’s perceived as a handout to people who are already rich, again not something that will appeal to young Gen Z men.

Infrastructure projects are mostly useless for Gen Z men. Those jobs are unionized and largely unavailable to the same group. If they even care about the infrastructure bill, they view it as a giveaway to boomers and Gen X.

What should Democrats do to attract Gen Z men back? Focus on jobs creation for jobs they can actually get, not union gifts. For instance, build up the military, rethink a GI bill type of approach. Celebrate blue collar work, don’t disparage it. (I remain convinced that Trump’s genuine pleasure in his McDonald’s campaign was a turning point for a lot of Gen Z men, who saw a man who respected jobs they can get and perform, while the Democrats mocked the jobs.) Drop the incessant identitarianism, it’s incredibly off-putting. Drop the insanity that is defending trans women in women’s sports, it’s a hugely alienating issue for a lot of Gen Z men. Drop blind allegiance to Netanyahu.

Do that, and you might get Gen Z men back.

So be anti-college and promote them working at McDonald’s for the rest of their lives? How does that sound like a great life? It sounds like the effing gilded age.

You don’t want solid, skilled union jobs with a focus on lowering child care and housing and improving education? You know, the DEMOCRATIC platform?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

You can start fixing the problem but not denying that there is a problem. The Democratic platform seems to be "we're perfect and if you don't agree, you're a nazi". Do better.

--signed a lifelong Democrat who would never vote for Trump

Okay. I'll play along, and admit we have a problem. So what could the Democratic party do to make itself more attractive to GenZ males? Biden proposed college debt relief, and advocated for trade school training. He funded infrastructure projects that would put Americans to work. But you're suggesting that isn't enough. What specifically would you like to see from the next Democratic candidate that would say "we made a mistake and here's how we're going to make you welcome in the party?"

I think a start would be recognizing that just because someone doesn't agree with everything the Dems believe does not make them the enemy. And it doesn't make them a racist, nazi, homophobe, etc. A good percentage of GenZ are still children. And they are still trying to feel their way when it comes to what they believe and how they feel. So cut them some slack if they are still trying to decide where they fall on certain issues and listen to what they say instead of dismissing them.

NP. It’s our job as adults to teach our children not to be racist nazi homophobes. It’s not by chance that they aren’t. You’re failing as a parent to raise a racist nazi homophobe. And not agreeing with everything Democrats believe doesn’t make you a racist nazi homophobe, but being a racist Nazi homophobe sure does.

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A wide majority of Gen Z mock Trump because of his actions as the president.

They already are mocking about WW3 and how they’re lazy and not willing to even fight under his stupid commands.

Same thing with the Vance baby pictures.

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Dems should do this

Dems should do that...


Meanwhile Trump promises them nothing and then delivers something even worse.

You aren't going to "win" back someone from this.

If they are drawn to Trump, they will go with him regardless of what you are offering.

What marginalized groups can we throw on the pyre to make a fire big enough attract Gen Z men? Pffft!

They will have to figure out what kind of world they want. If that's Trump then what are the Dems going to offer them? Or even the GOP (you nlknow there are no moderates left, all MAGA)

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

That's a great question to which I don't have a great answer. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton worked because they spoke to the middle class. They both had compelling life stories that were relatable and they both had remarkable charisma. You always got the sense with those two that they were on your side regardless of whatever social, gender, or racial box you found yourself in.

Democrats lost that.

I think one of the reasons Trump won is because he called out certain establishment BS - whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to NAFTA to illegal immigration, and how these things hurt the working and middle class. And meanwhile all Democrats and progressives talk about is All Cops Are Bastards, BLM, DEI, the definition of women and CIS-this and TERF-that, and Gaza a million miles away, and "equity" and shitty schools, and Latinos must be called LatinX because otherwise you are a racist, and you must put gender pronouns in your email whatever, and on and on with that crap.

So young men are checked out from the Democratic Party. They don't like Republicans, but there is nothing compelling about Democrats these days with their identity BS and soft on violent crime policies - and trust me, that is a big deal for young men who have to navigate that violence. Young men want violent felons in prison. But Democrats oppose that. And so young men have to deal with that.

Democrats offer nothing for young men. And the Democratic establishment seems to think some obscure tax write-offs and diverse candidates are the solution to everything.

And that is not happening. GenZ men are an absolute wild card in politics.

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Anonymous wrote:A wide majority of Gen Z mock Trump because of his actions as the president.

They already are mocking about WW3 and how they’re lazy and not willing to even fight under his stupid commands.

Same thing with the Vance baby pictures.

Gen Z isn’t going to be fighting anyway. They’ve already gone through much pain to the point I feel awful for them. Hell, they just went over COVID, can’t find jobs, can’t afford anything, struggling to be economically stable. If they ever got drafted by Trump anyway, that just hinders their mental health improvement. (Coming from a Gen X’er)

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

You can start fixing the problem but not denying that there is a problem. The Democratic platform seems to be "we're perfect and if you don't agree, you're a nazi". Do better.

--signed a lifelong Democrat who would never vote for Trump

Okay. I'll play along, and admit we have a problem. So what could the Democratic party do to make itself more attractive to GenZ males? Biden proposed college debt relief, and advocated for trade school training. He funded infrastructure projects that would put Americans to work. But you're suggesting that isn't enough. What specifically would you like to see from the next Democratic candidate that would say "we made a mistake and here's how we're going to make you welcome in the party?"

I think a start would be recognizing that just because someone doesn't agree with everything the Dems believe does not make them the enemy. And it doesn't make them a racist, nazi, homophobe, etc.

It sure would be nice if Republicans would extend us the same courtesy. Just trying to discuss issues with MAGA, we get called socialists, communists, traitors, scum, vermin, and worse.

Respect is a two way street. Be willing to give what you want to receive from others.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing?

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy. And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party.

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...

That's a great question to which I don't have a great answer. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton worked because they spoke to the middle class. They both had compelling life stories that were relatable and they both had remarkable charisma. You always got the sense with those two that they were on your side regardless of whatever social, gender, or racial box you found yourself in.

Democrats lost that.

I think one of the reasons Trump won is because he called out certain establishment BS - whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to NAFTA to illegal immigration, and how these things hurt the working and middle class. And meanwhile all Democrats and progressives talk about is All Cops Are Bastards, BLM, DEI, the definition of women and CIS-this and TERF-that, and Gaza a million miles away, and "equity" and shitty schools, and Latinos must be called LatinX because otherwise you are a racist, and you must put gender pronouns in your email whatever, and on and on with that crap.

So young men are checked out from the Democratic Party. They don't like Republicans, but there is nothing compelling about Democrats these days with their identity BS and soft on violent crime policies - and trust me, that is a big deal for young men who have to navigate that violence. Young men want violent felons in prison. But Democrats oppose that. And so young men have to deal with that.

Democrats offer nothing for young men. And the Democratic establishment seems to think some obscure tax write-offs and diverse candidates are the solution to everything.

And that is not happening. GenZ men are an absolute wild card in politics.

What is Trump currently offering to young men?

Not his political promises.

What? The ability to back him like a sports team? That's he's going to have UFC at the White House?

Tell that to the people in Texas flood waters

I'm sure the love that. If young men can't figure out that they may be middle aged men one day and want more, what can you offer them?