ICS smashes car window to seize immigrant in Westminster, MD

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The number of people here who don't understand the Fourth Amendment is astounding.

ICE agents can make warrantless arrests if there is PC to believe the arrestee is in violation of US immigration law AND there is PC to believe the person would escape before a warrant could be obtained. But ICE agents cannot enter homes and other private places without a warrant signed by a judge. An arrest warrant signed by a judge authorizes agent to go anywhere, including private homes, where the subject might reasonably be found, but it isn't necessary to effectuate an arrest on the street.

Mimms isn't really on point here. Mimms is about a situation where police recover physical evidence as a result of ordering someone out of a car. Law enforcement, including ICE, can use a substantial amount force, including breaking a car window, to conduct a lawful arrest.

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Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who don't understand the Fourth Amendment is astounding.

ICE agents can make warrantless arrests if there is PC to believe the arrestee is in violation of US immigration law AND there is PC to believe the person would escape before a warrant could be obtained. But ICE agents cannot enter homes and other private places without a warrant signed by a judge. An arrest warrant signed by a judge authorizes agent to go anywhere, including private homes, where the subject might reasonably be found, but it isn't necessary to effectuate an arrest on the street.

Mimms isn't really on point here. Mimms is about a situation where police recover physical evidence as a result of ordering someone out of a car. Law enforcement, including ICE, can use a substantial amount force, including breaking a car window, to conduct a lawful arrest.

According to the article, ICE visited her home twice before breaking the window of her car to disappear her. In none of the three instances did they have a warrant signed by a judge.

The fact they could not get a warrant after the first two times indicates to me they do not have evidence. Indeed, they have not yet presented any evidence she is in a gang.

PLUS: ICE kidnapped Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He is likely dead so they have kidnapped and possibly killed at least one person. I hold Trump and ICE responsible for Garcia's fate.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.

Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

I'd rather live where people know better than to break laws. Law-abiding, hardworking citizens who don't break laws will be fine.

oh really. Tell that to a black man who gets pulled over and roughed up.

I bet you've broken laws.. parking, speeding, etc.. You just want to pick and choose which laws *you* think should be followed.

Like following immigration law?

The article said that she had an active asylum case pending and a legal work permit.

Also what a mom… in the midst of that awful and terrifying situation, she was calm and kept trying to reassure her scared daughter.

I hate what our country is doing to immigrants right now. They make our country what it is and our country is NOT going after criminals. They are going after all immigrants (except Elon and Melania).

It's well known that starting an asylum case that will drag on for years due to a backlog is a good way to get a work permit. Most do not qualify for asylum. The article also states that she is a known member of a gang.

Trump thinks anyone with a tattoo is in a gang, so I would not pay attention to anything but real and solid evidence that has not been manufactured. They do not have evidence and they have not provided evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.

Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

I'd rather live where people know better than to break laws. Law-abiding, hardworking citizens who don't break laws will be fine.

oh really. Tell that to a black man who gets pulled over and roughed up.

I bet you've broken laws.. parking, speeding, etc.. You just want to pick and choose which laws *you* think should be followed.

Like following immigration law?

The article said that she had an active asylum case pending and a legal work permit.

Also what a mom… in the midst of that awful and terrifying situation, she was calm and kept trying to reassure her scared daughter.

I hate what our country is doing to immigrants right now. They make our country what it is and our country is NOT going after criminals. They are going after all immigrants (except Elon and Melania).

It's well known that starting an asylum case that will drag on for years due to a backlog is a good way to get a work permit. Most do not qualify for asylum. The article also states that she is a known member of a gang.

You conveniently left out this sentence that follows the claim that she’s a gang member. “Her attorney says the government has not presented any evidence of any gang affiliation. She says it also hasn't presented any information detailing why she was arrested.”

No one objects to the government removing actual gang members, but they’re removing people with no evidence of gang membership and no due process. And that’s a problem for everyone in this country, citizen or not.

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An article stating she was in a gang is not the same thing as evidence she was in a gang. I can't believe this needs to be explained.

I could write an article right now saying anyone here was in a gang. Does not make it true.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.

Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

I'd rather live where people know better than to break laws. Law-abiding, hardworking citizens who don't break laws will be fine.

oh really. Tell that to a black man who gets pulled over and roughed up.

I bet you've broken laws.. parking, speeding, etc.. You just want to pick and choose which laws *you* think should be followed.

Like following immigration law?

The article said that she had an active asylum case pending and a legal work permit.

Also what a mom… in the midst of that awful and terrifying situation, she was calm and kept trying to reassure her scared daughter.

I hate what our country is doing to immigrants right now. They make our country what it is and our country is NOT going after criminals. They are going after all immigrants (except Elon and Melania).

It's well known that starting an asylum case that will drag on for years due to a backlog is a good way to get a work permit. Most do not qualify for asylum. The article also states that she is a known member of a gang.

You conveniently left out this sentence that follows the claim that she’s a gang member. “Her attorney says the government has not presented any evidence of any gang affiliation. She says it also hasn't presented any information detailing why she was arrested.”

No one objects to the government removing actual gang members, but they’re removing people with no evidence of gang membership and no due process. And that’s a problem for everyone in this country, citizen or not.

It was left out because of course her attorney would say that. It's kind of her job.

Remember way back when everyone was melting down because that transplant doctor was denied re entry into the country only to find out later that she was posing for pictures with terrorists? So you think that this 51 year old lady was just being picked up for nothing? Of all the people here illegally, that's who they chose?

Sure. They just sent Kilmar Abrego Garcia to a prison and won't return him despite the Supreme Court of the US voting 9-0 that he needs to come back.

So, yes, I think they pick anyone to send them away to make their quota.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.

Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

I'd rather live where people know better than to break laws. Law-abiding, hardworking citizens who don't break laws will be fine.

oh really. Tell that to a black man who gets pulled over and roughed up.

I bet you've broken laws.. parking, speeding, etc.. You just want to pick and choose which laws *you* think should be followed.

Like following immigration law?

The article said that she had an active asylum case pending and a legal work permit.

Also what a mom… in the midst of that awful and terrifying situation, she was calm and kept trying to reassure her scared daughter.

I hate what our country is doing to immigrants right now. They make our country what it is and our country is NOT going after criminals. They are going after all immigrants (except Elon and Melania).

It's well known that starting an asylum case that will drag on for years due to a backlog is a good way to get a work permit. Most do not qualify for asylum. The article also states that she is a known member of a gang.

You conveniently left out this sentence that follows the claim that she’s a gang member. “Her attorney says the government has not presented any evidence of any gang affiliation. She says it also hasn't presented any information detailing why she was arrested.”

No one objects to the government removing actual gang members, but they’re removing people with no evidence of gang membership and no due process. And that’s a problem for everyone in this country, citizen or not.

It was left out because of course her attorney would say that. It's kind of her job.

Remember way back when everyone was melting down because that transplant doctor was denied re entry into the country only to find out later that she was posing for pictures with terrorists? So you think that this 51 year old lady was just being picked up for nothing? Of all the people here illegally, that's who they chose?

Sure. They just sent Kilmar Abrego Garcia to a prison and won't return him despite the Supreme Court of the US voting 9-0 that he needs to come back.

So, yes, I think they pick anyone to send them away to make their quota.

Not to mention the gay makeup artist (he had tats) or the young man with the autism awareness tattoo--both were sent to the El Salvador prison.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.

Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

I'd rather live where people know better than to break laws. Law-abiding, hardworking citizens who don't break laws will be fine.

oh really. Tell that to a black man who gets pulled over and roughed up.

I bet you've broken laws.. parking, speeding, etc.. You just want to pick and choose which laws *you* think should be followed.

Like following immigration law?

The article said that she had an active asylum case pending and a legal work permit.

Also what a mom… in the midst of that awful and terrifying situation, she was calm and kept trying to reassure her scared daughter.

I hate what our country is doing to immigrants right now. They make our country what it is and our country is NOT going after criminals. They are going after all immigrants (except Elon and Melania).

It's well known that starting an asylum case that will drag on for years due to a backlog is a good way to get a work permit. Most do not qualify for asylum. The article also states that she is a known member of a gang.

You conveniently left out this sentence that follows the claim that she’s a gang member. “Her attorney says the government has not presented any evidence of any gang affiliation. She says it also hasn't presented any information detailing why she was arrested.”

No one objects to the government removing actual gang members, but they’re removing people with no evidence of gang membership and no due process. And that’s a problem for everyone in this country, citizen or not.

It was left out because of course her attorney would say that. It's kind of her job.

Remember way back when everyone was melting down because that transplant doctor was denied re entry into the country only to find out later that she was posing for pictures with terrorists? So you think that this 51 year old lady was just being picked up for nothing? Of all the people here illegally, that's who they chose?

Yes, yes I do think it's quite possible that this woman--and many others--are being picked up by ICE on ZERO, bogus, or flimsy evidence. The Turkish student who was abducted off the street outside Boston is still in a Louisiana prison. She was picked up for co-authoring an op-ed in her college paper that was pro-Palestinian. I'd be happy to link it if you'd like to see it for yourself. It was not "radical" in any way. Regarding the Venezuelans sent to El Salvador:

"Many Venezuelans deported to El Salvador have been found to have no criminal record in the United States, despite being deported as alleged members of gangs. Reports from CBS News, Bloomberg, and Cristosal, a human rights defense NGO, have found that a significant portion of the deportees, ranging from 75% to 90%, lacked criminal records. Human Rights Watch also noted that many of the deportees had no criminal history in Venezuela or other Latin American countries."

Furthermore, I have ZERO confidence in this specific government to follow due process and present evidence of actual wrongdoing.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump but why are so many people overstaying their visas? It's because people have been allowed to openly violate our laws for the past twenty-five years. Trump ran on enforcing immigration laws and that is a big part of why he won.

Pros and cons to freedom. I’d rather people overstay their visa than live in a police state.

I'd rather live where people know better than to break laws. Law-abiding, hardworking citizens who don't break laws will be fine.

oh really. Tell that to a black man who gets pulled over and roughed up.

I bet you've broken laws.. parking, speeding, etc.. You just want to pick and choose which laws *you* think should be followed.

Like following immigration law?

The article said that she had an active asylum case pending and a legal work permit.

Also what a mom… in the midst of that awful and terrifying situation, she was calm and kept trying to reassure her scared daughter.

I hate what our country is doing to immigrants right now. They make our country what it is and our country is NOT going after criminals. They are going after all immigrants (except Elon and Melania).

It's well known that starting an asylum case that will drag on for years due to a backlog is a good way to get a work permit. Most do not qualify for asylum. The article also states that she is a known member of a gang.

You conveniently left out this sentence that follows the claim that she’s a gang member. “Her attorney says the government has not presented any evidence of any gang affiliation. She says it also hasn't presented any information detailing why she was arrested.”

No one objects to the government removing actual gang members, but they’re removing people with no evidence of gang membership and no due process. And that’s a problem for everyone in this country, citizen or not.

It was left out because of course her attorney would say that. It's kind of her job.

Remember way back when everyone was melting down because that transplant doctor was denied re entry into the country only to find out later that she was posing for pictures with terrorists? So you think that this 51 year old lady was just being picked up for nothing? Of all the people here illegally, that's who they chose?

Yes, 100%. Which is how you know none of this will make you any safer. The odds of them finding a gang member harassing the people who are easiest to find is zero. These contractors are hiring police rejects and handing them a quota. That's the whole concept.

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Is this legal???

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-woman-arrest-ice-immigration-el-salvador-berrios/

I can't believe it. Watch the video. It's heartbreaking. Horrifying.

I don't speak much Spanish, but it appears they didn't have a judicial warrant.

OMG. This is our country????

I'm sure you'd all be cheering if it were a grandma who had walked into the Capitol Building being terrorized by the FBI.

She refused to obey the orders of law enforcement and found out. When law enforcement tells you to get out of the car, there is no Constitutional right to refuse to obey them and sit in your car thinking your magic window shields you from following the instructions of law enforcement. She found out.

Not true. ICE does not have the same power as the police.

They need a warrant signed by a judge and not one of their fake pretend warrants.

You do not need a warrant to search a vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't going to make me mad. Shipping people off to a foreign concentration camp overnight without a hearing makes me very mad.

That's why its easier to not let immigrants in until fully vetted.

[Anonymous]

She has an asylum request for El Salvador which is now actually the safest country in the western hemisphere. They were known as the murder capital of the world. It wasn’t a functioning country as gangs terrorized the country killing, kidnapping, raping, and extorting entire communities.

The CECOT mega prison was built as the only solution to bring peace to El Salvador. This is why President Bukeke has such a high popularity rating.

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Anonymous wrote:She has an asylum request for El Salvador which is now actually the safest country in the western hemisphere. They were known as the murder capital of the world. It wasn’t a functioning country as gangs terrorized the country killing, kidnapping, raping, and extorting entire communities.

The CECOT mega prison was built as the only solution to bring peace to El Salvador. This is why President Bukeke has such a high popularity rating.

Only foolish people think violent people should be free to walk the streets and be free to commit crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:She has an asylum request for El Salvador which is now actually the safest country in the western hemisphere. They were known as the murder capital of the world. It wasn’t a functioning country as gangs terrorized the country killing, kidnapping, raping, and extorting entire communities.

The CECOT mega prison was built as the only solution to bring peace to El Salvador. This is why President Bukeke has such a high popularity rating.

Countries that are dictatorships are usually quite safe. I’ve lived in several. However, they’re not so great on the human rights front. El Salvador is no exception.

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Anonymous wrote:She has an asylum request for El Salvador which is now actually the safest country in the western hemisphere. They were known as the murder capital of the world. It wasn’t a functioning country as gangs terrorized the country killing, kidnapping, raping, and extorting entire communities.

The CECOT mega prison was built as the only solution to bring peace to El Salvador. This is why President Bukeke has such a high popularity rating.

Countries that are dictatorships are usually quite safe. I’ve lived in several. However, they’re not so great on the human rights front. El Salvador is no exception.

Human rights should mean that potential innocent victims do not have to live in fear of violent criminals committing crimes repeatedly..

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Anonymous wrote:She has an asylum request for El Salvador which is now actually the safest country in the western hemisphere. They were known as the murder capital of the world. It wasn’t a functioning country as gangs terrorized the country killing, kidnapping, raping, and extorting entire communities.

The CECOT mega prison was built as the only solution to bring peace to El Salvador. This is why President Bukeke has such a high popularity rating.

If it’s so safe, why the thread about the guy deported to El Salvador? Can’t have it both ways