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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters?  Or no?  So far we’re running 100% against that idea.  Does anyone think it could help?  Or do we stick to our guns?[/quote]

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.[/quote]

Change messaging to what?  Change any policies, or no?[/quote]

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?[/quote]
Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.[/quote]

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity. [/quote]
I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you. [/quote]

See now there it is. I never said anything of the sort. Yes of course it’s a problem if people are not “kind to white guys” just like it’s a problem of white pepper are not “kind to black guys. Why is that such a difficult concept? Don’t you want to be treated like an individual rather than a stereotype? [/quote]
I'm not treated like either, though you want to create this narrative that it is an issue for me. I went to college, I have a masters, I'm in the top 10% of American incomes. The people who supported me along the way were conscious of the fight it took and the realities of being black in America. The ones who pretend race didn't matter were lazy, often previously wealthy, and were people who gained a lot from the system and needed to plug their ears to justify their opinions. It is an objective fact that black Americans, on average, do worse in American society across the board; if you can't believe that and need to go into psychosis about colorblindness and all men being equal to live on, great but its not real. I'm tired of white men lecturing about how we are too stupid to see the obvious choice to treat everyone the same-no $hit, we've been saying that for nearly 80 years now, but it Isn't born into reality. [/quote]

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