Cuts to MCPS EML Therapeutic Counseling Team

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Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This county wants to provide everything for everyone. This is a fantastic goal but completely unrealistic. We need to trim expenses- cutting these non essentials makes sense.

If kids don't have the basics they cannot learn.

But MCPS goal is to provide an EDUCATION. Let MCPS focus on that and allow the County and they myriad of publicly funded non-profits to provide healthcare.

There is not a ton of health care. Call one of these places and try to get an appointment.

All of these laid off providers can set up a private practice that accepts Medicaid.

Reasonable suggestion actually.

They are licensed practitioners. This would be a great opportunity to band together and start Medicaid practices in the area, if they want to continue to serve these patients!

No one is setting up medicaid practices because the pay rate is so low.

Please call these "resources" and tell us how easy its to get care and when the next available appointment is.

You can have a private practice and accept some Medicaid patients, but I doubt that it would not be fairly easy to match a public school salary, even with Medicaid payments. Overhead for a therapy practice is not high.

EML Counselors do not provide medical services. They provide school counseling services to students whose first language is not English. The students come from across the world, from numerous language backgrounds, and have a diversity of circumstances as to why they are now in the United States. With Trump on the warpath, I can't think of any more vulnerable students in need of services. That Taylor chose this group of employees to cut is testimony to who he really is as a person.

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Anonymous wrote:This county wants to provide everything for everyone. This is a fantastic goal but completely unrealistic. We need to trim expenses- cutting these non essentials makes sense.

If kids don't have the basics they cannot learn.

But MCPS goal is to provide an EDUCATION. Let MCPS focus on that and allow the County and they myriad of publicly funded non-profits to provide healthcare.

There is not a ton of health care. Call one of these places and try to get an appointment.

All of these laid off providers can set up a private practice that accepts Medicaid.

Reasonable suggestion actually.

They are licensed practitioners. This would be a great opportunity to band together and start Medicaid practices in the area, if they want to continue to serve these patients!

No one is setting up medicaid practices because the pay rate is so low.

Please call these "resources" and tell us how easy its to get care and when the next available appointment is.

You can have a private practice and accept some Medicaid patients, but I doubt that it would not be fairly easy to match a public school salary, even with Medicaid payments. Overhead for a therapy practice is not high.

EML Counselors do not provide medical services. They provide school counseling services to students whose first language is not English. The students come from across the world, from numerous language backgrounds, and have a diversity of circumstances as to why they are now in the United States. With Trump on the warpath, I can't think of any more vulnerable students in need of services. That Taylor chose this group of employees to cut is testimony to who he really is as a person.

I think more people would understand the need for these counselors and join your outrage if you would simply provide trend data on caseloads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This county wants to provide everything for everyone. This is a fantastic goal but completely unrealistic. We need to trim expenses- cutting these non essentials makes sense.

If kids don't have the basics they cannot learn.

But MCPS goal is to provide an EDUCATION. Let MCPS focus on that and allow the County and they myriad of publicly funded non-profits to provide healthcare.

There is not a ton of health care. Call one of these places and try to get an appointment.

All of these laid off providers can set up a private practice that accepts Medicaid.

Reasonable suggestion actually.

They are licensed practitioners. This would be a great opportunity to band together and start Medicaid practices in the area, if they want to continue to serve these patients!

No one is setting up medicaid practices because the pay rate is so low.

Please call these "resources" and tell us how easy its to get care and when the next available appointment is.

You can have a private practice and accept some Medicaid patients, but I doubt that it would not be fairly easy to match a public school salary, even with Medicaid payments. Overhead for a therapy practice is not high.

EML Counselors do not provide medical services. They provide school counseling services to students whose first language is not English. The students come from across the world, from numerous language backgrounds, and have a diversity of circumstances as to why they are now in the United States. With Trump on the warpath, I can't think of any more vulnerable students in need of services. That Taylor chose this group of employees to cut is testimony to who he really is as a person.

I think more people would understand the need for these counselors and join your outrage if you would simply provide trend data on caseloads.

Here is 2024 data on MCPS's EML population. Many struggle, as you can see if you review the data. Know that EML counselors are each typically assigned to 5 schools. It's not saving that much money to keep these counselors supporting students who need the services. Title III funding pays for them. Not sure why Taylor is rearranging how that money is being spent.

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CZB3G57DAC79/$file/ELD%20Update%20Attachment%20D.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

No, he's not. If he wants to cut out things, cut things like all the money that goes to the extra's to non-profits that only serves a select group of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This county wants to provide everything for everyone. This is a fantastic goal but completely unrealistic. We need to trim expenses- cutting these non essentials makes sense.

If kids don't have the basics they cannot learn.

But MCPS goal is to provide an EDUCATION. Let MCPS focus on that and allow the County and they myriad of publicly funded non-profits to provide healthcare.

There is not a ton of health care. Call one of these places and try to get an appointment.

All of these laid off providers can set up a private practice that accepts Medicaid.

Reasonable suggestion actually.

They are licensed practitioners. This would be a great opportunity to band together and start Medicaid practices in the area, if they want to continue to serve these patients!

No one is setting up medicaid practices because the pay rate is so low.

Please call these "resources" and tell us how easy its to get care and when the next available appointment is.

You can have a private practice and accept some Medicaid patients, but I doubt that it would not be fairly easy to match a public school salary, even with Medicaid payments. Overhead for a therapy practice is not high.

So?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

No, he's not. If he wants to cut out things, cut things like all the money that goes to the extra's to non-profits that only serves a select group of kids.

Absolutely. He should also cut funding to those random non-profits. Totally agree that we need to cut funding for lots of things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

EML counselors are funded by Title III monies, which only a school district is eligible to receive. Kinda heartless of those of you who have never experienced what these families have experienced to just kick them to the side with some meaningless reference to letting the county do it. It will cost you MORE to let the county "do it."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

We have school counselors for all kids. From what I can gather these counselors are in place because the regular counselors don't speak Spanish. They should hire bilingual counselors for schools with large Spanish speaking populations. And I'm curious what they do for kids that speak other languages like indigenous languages or Amharic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

We have school counselors for all kids. From what I can gather these counselors are in place because the regular counselors don't speak Spanish. They should hire bilingual counselors for schools with large Spanish speaking populations. And I'm curious what they do for kids that speak other languages like indigenous languages or Amharic

The EML counselors are hired with language competencies, who are then placed in schools with populations they can specifically support, e.g., a Dari-speaking counselor for schools with larger populations of families who speak Dari. These language and cultural competencies are exactly why we need EML counselors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

We have school counselors for all kids. From what I can gather these counselors are in place because the regular counselors don't speak Spanish. They should hire bilingual counselors for schools with large Spanish speaking populations. And I'm curious what they do for kids that speak other languages like indigenous languages or Amharic

The EML counselors are hired with language competencies, who are then placed in schools with populations they can specifically support, e.g., a Dari-speaking counselor for schools with larger populations of families who speak Dari. These language and cultural competencies are exactly why we need EML counselors.[/quote
What is the breakdown of their language competencies? Because before you mentioned Dari, the only languages mentioned were Spanish and Portuguese, and I'm struggling to believe they can't find bilingual regular school counselors for schools with large Spanish speaking populations.