Cuts to MCPS EML Therapeutic Counseling Team

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Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

We have school counselors for all kids. From what I can gather these counselors are in place because the regular counselors don't speak Spanish. They should hire bilingual counselors for schools with large Spanish speaking populations. And I'm curious what they do for kids that speak other languages like indigenous languages or Amharic

How much time do you think school counselors have? In ES, there is maybe 1-2 for 500+ kids. In MS and HS, they are dealing with so many other things like registration, IEP's, etc and in HS recommendations and college help. Each guidance counselor has hundreds of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

We have school counselors for all kids. From what I can gather these counselors are in place because the regular counselors don't speak Spanish. They should hire bilingual counselors for schools with large Spanish speaking populations. And I'm curious what they do for kids that speak other languages like indigenous languages or Amharic

How much time do you think school counselors have? In ES, there is maybe 1-2 for 500+ kids. In MS and HS, they are dealing with so many other things like registration, IEP's, etc and in HS recommendations and college help. Each guidance counselor has hundreds of kids.

Okay? I thought the EML counselors were simply providing school counseling services, not therapy. If these kids need more intensive services this should be referred out or part of an IEP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Why does this matter?
County funds are country funds.

Schools system is the best way to serve children.

It matters because the MCPS budget should focus on providing educational services. The county funds things that aren't educational, including school nurses by the way.

This. Taylor is doing the right thing here.

Yes. Kids need access to these services but the oversight/budget-line should belong to the county. County can fund and manage social services for kids and even keep the providers housed in schools. MCPS central office needs to focus on managing the educational needs of the kids, which they are qualified to do. County supervisors with experience managing social services need to oversee this. School counselors are supposed to more focus on things like class registration, basic wellness programs, small conflicts, buddy lunch programs and —large item- overseeing 504 plans. These positions make sense as school based positions. Actual social workers, speech therapists, therapists etc should be part of the medical/therapeutic/social services options run by the county and overseen by the county. It makes no sense for MCPS to run/administer these services since they are not educational services and not what school administrators have expertise in. MCPS should partner with the county for these services so the county can run them and MCPS can help making sure kids have logistical access by housing these programs at schools.

The county is not responsible to provide support in schools and the county doesn't have enough social workers, and others to do those jobs as the county pays very poorly so many social workers move on to higher paying jobs after 5-10 years or become SAHP as it doesn't pay to work.

The county provides school nurses

Most schools have techs and not nurses. The county does not have enough social workers and other staff and either way that’s just a way to hide MCPS funds. Why don’t we pull out all supports for all kids?

I'm laughing/crying at the notion that including supports in the county budget instead of the MCPS budget makes them *less* transparent.

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Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

Let's save $28 million and not build Woodward HS's final phase of construction. Yeah, that's an excellent place to start.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

Let's save $28 million and not build Woodward HS's final phase of construction. Yeah, that's an excellent place to start.

A lot of the new construction that has gotten out of control - make repairs to schools that need it. No more artificial turf, no more non-profit contracts for nitch things - sports, after school care, etc....

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

This. And expect to see more cuts. Money doesn’t grow on trees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

This. And expect to see more cuts. Money doesn’t grow on trees.

They need to cut the central office staff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

This. And expect to see more cuts. Money doesn’t grow on trees.

There are so many cuts that need to be made. Approximately 10% of MoCo residents are federal employees. What will happen if many of these feds lose their jobs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

This. And expect to see more cuts. Money doesn’t grow on trees.

MCPS money grows on trees in west county, friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

Let's save $28 million and not build Woodward HS's final phase of construction. Yeah, that's an excellent place to start.

A lot of the new construction that has gotten out of control - make repairs to schools that need it. No more artificial turf, no more non-profit contracts for nitch things - sports, after school care, etc....

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there any budget cuts that people will support? Some cuts are needed and some positions need to be cut. There is no way around it

This. And expect to see more cuts. Money doesn’t grow on trees.

They need to cut the central office staff.

Agree. I expect to see more cuts. Taylor needs to make the unpopular decisions of where to make budget cuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your kid needs a therapeutic counselor they should seek that outside the school.

Would you say the same about cutting school counselors? These counselors are the first line of response for students who often times are uninsured and do not speak English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you know for a fact that this was cut by MCPS? Honestly, this program looks a lot like some transitions programs that I have seen cut around the country because they were directly funded by the department of education, who put them on The chopping block almost immediately.

Yes these positions were cut by MCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is MCPS required to provide medical care to students even outside school hours? I think we're asking too much from MCPS.

+1 this should really be funded outside of the MCPS budget. The county has mental health services, they should provide it.

Do you have insurance? Try to find a mental health provider that speaks Amharic? Not easy right? Now try to find the mental health support without insurance. This is why these positions are needed. Go on the MCPS website and look them up.