Probationaries getting fired today

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. My kid is a probationary employee of 1.5 years but has not heard anything yet. Is at a non-exempt agency. Is this happening tomorrow too?

are you sure kid is still probationary? Some agencies have probation for just 1 year.

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported?

And where the eff are the Democrats????

This is Republicans’ fault

Yes, but stand up and say something. It’s appalling.

They have been saying something. Republicans are the ones doing this. This is not a “both sides” problem. Go watch every Dems’ floor speeches from the past weeks. Listen to what they’ve said during committee hearings. All of it is about DOGE illegally dismantling the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was 60 people. It awful but not the end of the world.

Where are you getting your news? Stop watching Fox and OAN.

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

It will be easily contested at an unemployment hearing. Actual firing for cause requires advance notice of performance issues, etc. The employer claiming cause doesn’t magically make it true.

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

What cause would that be? Just because?

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

Being told to fire everyone "for cause" is a disguised layoff. Even for probationary employees, you have to articulate their performance issues and not just write "it was performance"

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Anonymous wrote:It was 60 people. It awful but not the end of the world.

200k is being reported. The largest layoffs in history.

200k across all agencies. I think PP is just speaking about DOE.

why is Energy getting hammered?

It’s not. It just happened to do its firings today. Every other agency will be following suit tomorrow afternoon.

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

They can say that, but the chance that 100% of probationary employees actually deserve to be fired for cause is approximately zero.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

Unemployment insurance is paid by the state, so it doesn't matter what Federal "government" says was the reason for termination.
It matters what the state thinks

MD:
https://labor.maryland.gov/federalworkers/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported?

And where the eff are the Democrats????

Getting told to stop eating cats, last I checked.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

Promises made. Promises kept.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported?

And where the eff are the Democrats????

This is Republicans’ fault

Yes, but stand up and say something. It’s appalling.

Have you tried peacefully protesting by defecating on the Resolute desk in the Oval Office?
That's Trump's suggestion.

[Anonymous]

So these people could fight it at the MSPB, right? I can't imagine these people can afford an attorney (even if ultimately the gov't will pay attorney fees if they prevail). I feel terrible for them.

[Anonymous]

A lot of people with some free time to protest

In the past week, did you seek work?

"Yes, I went back to the agency and asked to be rehired."

"Approved. "

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. My kid is a probationary employee of 1.5 years but has not heard anything yet. Is at a non-exempt agency. Is this happening tomorrow too?

are you sure kid is still probationary? Some agencies have probation for just 1 year.

Im at ED First, a bunch of so-called probationary colleagues were terminated yesterday evening for us.

But the execution of this is chaos. Some people have 1-year periods, others have 2-years. Some are called trial-periods, others probationary periods. A bunch of people who have served all the time have never had their SF-50s updated. The probationary lists going up definitely have errors on them. Senior mgmt. wont tell supervisors what their employee's status is.