Probationaries getting fired today

[Anonymous]

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Federal workers don’t do hardly anything that impact daily life the average person, At state level we have cops, fireman and teachers

dear god, this shows how powerful misinformation and poor education in civics can combine to create ignorance around things that should be widely known. I was just thinking this morning that the current maga rhetoric around federal workers reminds me of the "welfare queen" rhetoric of the 80s/90s. Lazy, entitled, a 'drain' on society, etc.

Just a small taste of what federal workers do. So when you wake up, the fact that you can count on knowing the time is thanks to NIST. THe water that you use to make your coffee? federal standards ensure its safe. Same with the food you make...not only tracking things like listeria and inspecting food production but also tons of research to be able to grow food while reducing disease. the electronics you use do not explore, hopefully, because they have had to pass rigorous safety standards, which of course puts restraints on industry that would love to just introduce things to the market without having to do all the safety tests. The morning medicine you take? not only had to pass rigorous safety testing, but may well have been developed via government funded research, NIH or elsewhere.
Same thing with the car that you might drive to work--again, cars are safer than ever due not only to federal regulations but also a lot of research at the federal level. And of course, while local and state entities maintain most roads, that bridge you cross is mostly likely part of federal infrastructure. Or maybe you take a train or a plane--ever heard of the FAA?
Okay, you make it to work, but first you have to stop for gas. Fortunately the FTC has fought against price fixing. But let's say you discover on your way to work credit card fraud. The fact that you are not responsible for the charges is not due to the kindness of the credit card company, its due to the CFPB. Now you get to work. Your boss is a real jerk, but even so, they can't lock you in or steal wages or prevent you from taking mandated breaks. Hey, you just heard about that measles outbreak in Texas and are worried about your kid? Well, the NIH and CDC used to be able to do something about things like that. Who knows now, maybe your 9 month old will just have to risk it until they can get the vaccine--that is, if its still allowed. After work, you think about checking out that exhibit at the Smithsonian (also government funded), but on your way you hear about a terrible flood where your aunt Myrtle lives, fortunately FEMA is helping out, and you check the weather (thanks NOAA) and see that the rains are supposed to abate. While every one is worried about the dam breaking, fortunately the army corps of engineers has recently been inspecting that dam so its not going to break. Its sad, Myrtle's been lonely lately, since her son is in the marine corps, protecting American interests overseas. After his tour of duty is over, he plans to join law enforcement, maybe the FBI, with a focus on preventing human trafficking.

Look, I could go on and on but the point is that this country depends on federal government to provide oversight, regulation, and all kinds of services for the public good in ways that go far beyond all this and that have made the United States a leader in science technology health etc. Now, the institutions are being decimated for ideological reasons, and those in power are reallly only interested in grift and suppressing democratic values because it threatens their stranglehold on power.

Thank you for writing this out in such detail. I am on your side. Truly, really.

But this is a strawman argument. The argument is never about completely eliminating regulation and oversight.

What the opposing side is arguing is that there is too much regulation and too much waste.

How much regulation is too much can be something reasonable people can disagree in a civil way. That there is waste in many programs is by far the general consensus, even among Federal workers (by my possibly inaccurate anecdotes).

If we want to win this fight, we need to understand the other team - Trump and Musk.

What do they care about? What they most fear and respect?

It is public opinion. By far.

And public opinion is not in our favor.

And we cannot gain public favor by insulting the moderates, both in MAGA and in independents. We cannot say you guys don't understand, you are too uneducated to know all the important work I am doing, etc.

We need to acknowledge that previous administration pushed some policies (DEI, etc.) that have nothing to do with us Federal workers who are just implementing what was pushed on us. We need to gain the confidence of the majority of Americans.

Then and only then would Trump and Musk stop pushing against Federal employees. Whatever you might say about them, they are highly intune with pubic sentiment and they change on a dime to align with that.

If each of the Fed employees (all 2 million of us) can convert 2 people to believe in our work, that would be enough to stop this carnage. Yes courts and congress need to be pursued but this is a track we must also pursue.

Having a million Fed employee march is not going to be helpful. In fact, that would be taken as proof that what they are doing is working and they would double down on the current path.

Love you all! Good luck!

100% agree with this. And I’m a federal employee.

[Anonymous]

Just feeding us to the lions, to distract people from the fact that they are sacking Rome.

[Anonymous]

As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

I agree, as a fed family, that being upset or angry or sad about job loss and turmoil is not what the general public needs to hear. This is a thread about the illegal firings. But on a different thread, people should describe their job, the public impact and why it is needed and what won't happen when they are fired. Other than closing the national parks, it's not always obvious what direct impact federal employees have. Firing the NNSA and bird flu people has helped to increase this awareness. What about everyone else? The public should hear more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TW - https://www.reddit.com/r/fednews/comments/1iti8av/termination_of_employees_a_week_of_chaos_and_death/

That is heartbreaking. How can we stop this? How can RV be allowed to say he will traumatize Feds and actually do this? There must be a lawsuit there.

Vought is a ghoul and a modern-day Goebbels.

This. He reminds me of the BTK killer. He's also the type of person who would probably love that comparison.

[Anonymous]

Heard DOD probationary employees are starting to get walking papers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

Polling out today shows most people oppose mass firings and cuts of federal employees. Only the less than 40% of the population who’s MAGA supports it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

Polling out today shows most people oppose mass firings and cuts of federal employees. Only the less than 40% of the population who’s MAGA supports it.

Agree, I saw those poll results too. People didn't vote for this and people don't want this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard DOD probationary employees are starting to get walking papers.

The Kremlin must be breaking out the champagne.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

Polling out today shows most people oppose mass firings and cuts of federal employees. Only the less than 40% of the population who’s MAGA supports it.

Agree, I saw those poll results too. People didn't vote for this and people don't want this.

Trump made no secret of his plans to decimate Feds. They absolutely voted for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

Polling out today shows most people oppose mass firings and cuts of federal employees. Only the less than 40% of the population who’s MAGA supports it.

Agree, I saw those poll results too. People didn't vote for this and people don't want this.

Trump made no secret of his plans to decimate Feds. They absolutely voted for this.

Not really. He disavowed P2025, which is where this is all coming from. Regardless, polling NOW shows people do not want this.

This conversation was about how Feds need to find some way of getting through to the public, but the polling shows the public is already on their side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

Polling out today shows most people oppose mass firings and cuts of federal employees. Only the less than 40% of the population who’s MAGA supports it.

Agree, I saw those poll results too. People didn't vote for this and people don't want this.

Trump made no secret of his plans to decimate Feds. They absolutely voted for this.

Not really. He disavowed P2025, which is where this is all coming from. Regardless, polling NOW shows people do not want this.

This conversation was about how Feds need to find some way of getting through to the public, but the polling shows the public is already on their side.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fed family, I am hoping we can turn the tide. To do this, we need to think from the other's point of view and what it looks like from their perspective. I read Fednews Reddit and it breaks my heart to see so many talented, hardworking people lose jobs. As I read the news and these posts, this is how it looks like to the average American:

Musk/Trump: We are firing lazy Fed workers. Cutting costs and eliminating fraud. We would send 20% of savings as DOGE dividend checks to every individual.

Fed Workers: You are uneducated and do not understand the important work we do. Because you don't read and are in a MAGA bubble. Dont you realize it is racists who are supporting Musk/Trump?

Who is going to be more persuasive of the two?

Yes, the truth isn't pretty. We (the non MAGAs) need to find a way to repackage the truth for the idiots who like shiny objects.

Polling out today shows most people oppose mass firings and cuts of federal employees. Only the less than 40% of the population who’s MAGA supports it.

Agree, I saw those poll results too. People didn't vote for this and people don't want this.

Trump made no secret of his plans to decimate Feds. They absolutely voted for this.

People who voted for Trump that I know did so bc of immigration and the economy. Maybe government waste and fraud was in their top 10 concerns but mass firing of employees for no logical reason was not what they voted for and doesn’t solve waste or fraud.

[Anonymous]

What’s happening with probationary employees at State? Seems like there’s been very little information.