Probationaries getting fired today

[Anonymous]

200K people?

Unemployment just went through the roof.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

The OPM page on severance says otherwise. “Involuntary separation” is the language it uses. As long as the termination is not for cause:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/severance-pay/

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported?

And where the eff are the Democrats????

They tried to walk into the DOE but couldn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

It will be easily contested at an unemployment hearing. Actual firing for cause requires advance notice of performance issues, etc. The employer claiming cause doesn’t magically make it true.

But is that true under Schedule F ?

Haven’t they implemented Schedule F as of last week?

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

It will be easily contested at an unemployment hearing. Actual firing for cause requires advance notice of performance issues, etc. The employer claiming cause doesn’t magically make it true.

But is that true under Schedule F ?

Haven’t they implemented Schedule F as of last week?

No. Completely different thing

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

Pretty sure they do. It's an involuntary separation

Yes, but it's a firing and not a RIF, so no severence.

They’re layoffs. Only someone that hasn’t experienced a layoff wouldn’t know the difference.

There is a difference in the government. A layoff comes with severence. A firing doesn't. These were firings.

Was it fair? Absolutely not. Was it legal? Absolutely not. But they fired them to avoid having to follow the regs.

This is a layoff. They qualify for unemployment. People fired for cause do not qualify for unemployment.

From one of the articles, the administation is teling agencies to fire for cause.

It will be easily contested at an unemployment hearing. Actual firing for cause requires advance notice of performance issues, etc. The employer claiming cause doesn’t magically make it true.

But is that true under Schedule F ?

Haven’t they implemented Schedule F as of last week?

Neither of those things is true. You are either highly misinformed or maliciously spreading false information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about State and DOJ?

Any word on DOJ and State?

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised any agency instituted firings on a Tjurs.

Typically, management will fire people on Fridays so that the fired employee has the weekend to take it in. Maybe might didn't want to ruin Valentine's Day (lol).

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Anonymous wrote:What about State and DOJ?

Any word on DOJ and State?

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How about DoD?

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Anyone know about probationary employees at the DOJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported?

And where the eff are the Democrats????

And where the Republicans?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised any agency instituted firings on a Tjurs.

Typically, management will fire people on Fridays so that the fired employee has the weekend to take it in. Maybe might didn't want to ruin Valentine's Day (lol).

That’s not true. They fire on Mondays so that you can file for and receive that week’s unemployment insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Do probationaries get any kind of severance?

Not if they were fired. Severance is for RIF.

The OPM page on severance says otherwise. “Involuntary separation” is the language it uses. As long as the termination is not for cause:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/severance-pay/

Well, it's not like this admin cares about laws or regulations. They definitely did not receive severence. I hope they all appeal and win.

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Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported?

And where the eff are the Democrats????

Hun- they were up for election back in November. What do you want them to do NOW?