American Hustlers: Meghan and Harry

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

DP but I agree with the others who say the level of fixation and obsession with them amounts to hate. Why are you citing a 2022 article about a minor event that happened in 2017?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.

The level of fixation and anger towards them is "hate." Not in like a "hate speech" kind of way, but just in that you can tell that people spend a weird amount of time being mad about Harry & Meghan and it's like... why.

Like people on this thread are mad that Meghan went to Uvalde and that she handed out water during the fires with Jose Andrés org, is that right? I don't actually know about either of those things but it just seems like standard rich socialite stuff. Why would you be mad that she visited the site of a horrible tragedy. It probably annoyed some people there and made other people feel good that this famous person came and expressed an interest in them. Standard stuff. Same with the fires. Is it really offensive? Is this really worth getting worked up about? Who does this hurt.

I will repeat: I don't get it. There are so many people who fall into this same category (wealthy, a bit of Main Character Syndrome, but by and large harmless and may even occasionally do some good). Why the fixation on these two? They just seem so innocuous to me.

For me, it’s because of the children. It’s just terrible.

What about the kids? They are wealthy kids in an intact family whose parents appear to do a pretty good job of shielding them from the press. This is like the least upsetting thing about Harry & Meghan. I don't even know what those kids actually look like and that actually a good thing.

I guess it’s because they’re juxtaposed with their cousins who have a very public life. Most celebrities choose privacy for their kids, especially if they were child stars themselves. Living in California makes that easier.

+1, I don't get how you can fault them for keeping the kids shielded. I definitely think those kids are better off in CA where there won't be pressure/expectation for them to be paraded around at every royal family event. It's very hard to argue their kids would have been better off staying in England.

I do think Harry is trying to give his kids a better life than he had (in terms of privacy and a more "normal" family environment, obviously they are all super wealthy and want for nothing tangible), and I respect him for that. I am a chain breaker in my own family with regards to dysfunction, and it's hard but very worth it. Good for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

DP but I agree with the others who say the level of fixation and obsession with them amounts to hate. Why are you citing a 2022 article about a minor event that happened in 2017?

Your participation in a discussion that doesn't interest you is not required. But clearly all of this relates to her inauthenticity and why her projects fail. She’s fake and has no real purpose.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

DP but I agree with the others who say the level of fixation and obsession with them amounts to hate. Why are you citing a 2022 article about a minor event that happened in 2017?

The article also doesn't prove she lied -- the whole "controversy" is based on one person claiming Meghan told her that she researched Harry extensively. Why would we believe this person? Why would we care one way or another? This is a bizarre thing to be focused on a decade later when these people are married and have two kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

It isn’t about about race for a lot of people and it’s annoying that everyone reflexively uses this as an excuse. You know who a lot of people HATE for being inauthentic and rich and having a lifestyle brand? Gwenyth Paltrow. Meghan is very similar to her, except with the added benefit of being a duchess (who hates how victimized she was by the royal family, but can’t stop using her title and the royal story).

Right, I agree -- Meghan is offensive at about the same level as Gwyneth Paltrow. They are remarkably similar except that Gwyneth grew up much richer and more privileged and her was a full nepo baby whereas Meghan was merely MC to UMC and maybe partially nepo baby due to her dad's industry connections (but nowhere on the level of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner).

But people don't get nearly this angry about Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes, she gets hate, but nothing like Meghan. I remember a thread last year where Meghan and Harry went to a basketball game and there were a few grainy photos of them in a suite, and people were doing like technical analysis on whether the other people in the suite hated them and if they were getting divorced based on how many inches were between them in a photo or something. And this detailed breakdown of Meghan's outfit (which was just like a nothing outfit, a pair of shorts and a blazer, it was nothing exciting or offensive or particularly attention grabbing). I've never seen people respond that way to a few pap shots of Paltrow eating lunch or attending an event, have you?

So I find myself baffled as to why people are soooo fixated on Meghan and the only think I can come up with is that it is discomfort with a WOC marrying into the royal family. I'd love to be wrong but I can't think of another explanation as to why she gets this response. It's very weird to me. There are so many celebs like this that don't get anywhere near this level of attention or anger.

You have a good point about Paltrow, but it really isn’t about being a person of some color, it’s really about taking Harry and the kids away from their heritage and BRF. If one doesn’t respect that, it probably does look silly. I think Meghan does a lot more “look at me” stuff than Gwyneth, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

No, and not what your Newsweek article says, either. It says she knew who he was but not much more. She didn't research much more because "I just didn't feel a need to because everything that I needed to know, he was sharing with me, right? Everything that we thought I needed to know, he was telling me."

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

DP but I agree with the others who say the level of fixation and obsession with them amounts to hate. Why are you citing a 2022 article about a minor event that happened in 2017?

Your participation in a discussion that doesn't interest you is not required. But clearly all of this relates to her inauthenticity and why her projects fail. She’s fake and has no real purpose.

What is it that you need from Meghan? What purpose is she supposed to be serving in order to live up to your ideal? All famous people are fake to some degree -- it's just a question of how skilled they are at convincing you that they are "genuine." And what purpose is Meghan supposed to have? She seems to care about her kids and is into lifestyle stuff (hosting, fashion, etc.). Seems fine. This describes like 99% of my friends. Are they all "fake and have no real purpose" too?

What has she done to provoke this level of dislike? She's innocuous.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

No, and not what your Newsweek article says, either. It says she knew who he was but not much more. She didn't research much more because "I just didn't feel a need to because everything that I needed to know, he was sharing with me, right? Everything that we thought I needed to know, he was telling me."

I would expect a Northwestern alum to have a bit more natural curiosity. This sounds vapid and shallow.

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I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with the person who repeatedly says that people dislike Meghan is about race. Do I think there are racists who hate her? Yes. Do I think racism is alive and well in America? Yes. (Ask me what I think about the most recent presidential election.) But I dislike Meghan and Harry because they played the victim and trashed their family and then proceeded to profit off of it. And then they continue to try to use their royal connections to try to be unofficial royals - randomly showing up to places like Uvalde and taking tours of Nigeria - as if they are a government officials or royalty. If they had just retired to Canada or Montecito and lived out of the spotlight, I would believe their whole narrative.

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I think he needs her, for some reason. It's just unfortunate that it's her.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

It isn’t about about race for a lot of people and it’s annoying that everyone reflexively uses this as an excuse. You know who a lot of people HATE for being inauthentic and rich and having a lifestyle brand? Gwenyth Paltrow. Meghan is very similar to her, except with the added benefit of being a duchess (who hates how victimized she was by the royal family, but can’t stop using her title and the royal story).

Right, I agree -- Meghan is offensive at about the same level as Gwyneth Paltrow. They are remarkably similar except that Gwyneth grew up much richer and more privileged and her was a full nepo baby whereas Meghan was merely MC to UMC and maybe partially nepo baby due to her dad's industry connections (but nowhere on the level of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner).

But people don't get nearly this angry about Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes, she gets hate, but nothing like Meghan. I remember a thread last year where Meghan and Harry went to a basketball game and there were a few grainy photos of them in a suite, and people were doing like technical analysis on whether the other people in the suite hated them and if they were getting divorced based on how many inches were between them in a photo or something. And this detailed breakdown of Meghan's outfit (which was just like a nothing outfit, a pair of shorts and a blazer, it was nothing exciting or offensive or particularly attention grabbing). I've never seen people respond that way to a few pap shots of Paltrow eating lunch or attending an event, have you?

So I find myself baffled as to why people are soooo fixated on Meghan and the only think I can come up with is that it is discomfort with a WOC marrying into the royal family. I'd love to be wrong but I can't think of another explanation as to why she gets this response. It's very weird to me. There are so many celebs like this that don't get anywhere near this level of attention or anger.

You have a good point about Paltrow, but it really isn’t about being a person of some color, it’s really about taking Harry and the kids away from their heritage and BRF. If one doesn’t respect that, it probably does look silly. I think Meghan does a lot more “look at me” stuff than Gwyneth, though.

Their "heritage"? You mean ignoring his uncles gross, probably criminal sexual exploits with Epstein, pretending the family didn't help destroy his mother's fragile mental health, acting like it's normal that he was literally paraded in front of people as he grieved his mother's death, etc.? Yes, you are right, that does sound silly. I'm an American.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with the person who repeatedly says that people dislike Meghan is about race. Do I think there are racists who hate her? Yes. Do I think racism is alive and well in America? Yes. (Ask me what I think about the most recent presidential election.) But I dislike Meghan and Harry because they played the victim and trashed their family and then proceeded to profit off of it. And then they continue to try to use their royal connections to try to be unofficial royals - randomly showing up to places like Uvalde and taking tours of Nigeria - as if they are a government officials or royalty. If they had just retired to Canada or Montecito and lived out of the spotlight, I would believe their whole narrative.

You described my feelings exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

No, and not what your Newsweek article says, either. It says she knew who he was but not much more. She didn't research much more because "I just didn't feel a need to because everything that I needed to know, he was sharing with me, right? Everything that we thought I needed to know, he was telling me."

I would expect a Northwestern alum to have a bit more natural curiosity. This sounds vapid and shallow.

PP here. So you got caught out and are switching to a different line of argument, sorry, to ad hominems against Meghan. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

She also lied about having no idea who Prince Harry was before they started dating.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-tom-bower-book-googled-harry-claims-1727618

No, and not what your Newsweek article says, either. It says she knew who he was but not much more. She didn't research much more because "I just didn't feel a need to because everything that I needed to know, he was sharing with me, right? Everything that we thought I needed to know, he was telling me."

I would expect a Northwestern alum to have a bit more natural curiosity. This sounds vapid and shallow.

PP here. So you got caught out and are switching to a different line of argument, sorry, to ad hominems against Meghan. Got it.

Wasn’t me but attacking posters will get you deleted.