American Hustlers: Meghan and Harry

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

What?! Is this true??

Yes. When she brings along a camera crew to record herself paying respects, it gives the appearance that she’s not genuine. This sums the biggest problem as to why she hasn’t been embraced by the public- she lacks credibility and genuineness.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-uvalde-cynical-critics-comment-1710898

Oh my goodness. Yes she went to Uvalde. No she didn’t bring a camera crew. There were camera crews at the memorial capturing everyone who stopped by for b-roll/still photos.

And I don’t care if her haters think it’s bad that she went. Her presence was appreciated by the community members, including the family of Irma Garcia who has kept in contact with her ever since.

She had no business there. It's crass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

+1 This really says all you need to know about this couple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

What?! Is this true??

Yes. When she brings along a camera crew to record herself paying respects, it gives the appearance that she’s not genuine. This sums the biggest problem as to why she hasn’t been embraced by the public- she lacks credibility and genuineness.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-uvalde-cynical-critics-comment-1710898

Oh my goodness. Yes she went to Uvalde. No she didn’t bring a camera crew. There were camera crews at the memorial capturing everyone who stopped by for b-roll/still photos.

And I don’t care if her haters think it’s bad that she went. Her presence was appreciated by the community members, including the family of Irma Garcia who has kept in contact with her ever since.

She had no business there. It's crass.

And the same is being said of her helping Jose Andres and other orgs with the LA fires. But I guarantee the same people generating rage over her involvement would be equally mad if she didn’t do anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

What?! Is this true??

Yes. When she brings along a camera crew to record herself paying respects, it gives the appearance that she’s not genuine. This sums the biggest problem as to why she hasn’t been embraced by the public- she lacks credibility and genuineness.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-uvalde-cynical-critics-comment-1710898

Oh my goodness. Yes she went to Uvalde. No she didn’t bring a camera crew. There were camera crews at the memorial capturing everyone who stopped by for b-roll/still photos.

And I don’t care if her haters think it’s bad that she went. Her presence was appreciated by the community members, including the family of Irma Garcia who has kept in contact with her ever since.

She had no business there. It's crass.

And the same is being said of her helping Jose Andres and other orgs with the LA fires. But I guarantee the same people generating rage over her involvement would be equally mad if she didn’t do anything.

Lol, no. Nobody was asking where Meghan and Harry were with the LA fires raging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So he quit the toxic royal family and she figured out how to monetize the situation. What’s so wrong about that? They are in love and have beautiful children and seem happy.

Do they though?
Who cares for these children of theirs and why are their parents never with them except in once a year PR holiday shoots? Why aren’t they ever out running errands? Just curious

The kids are protected by paparazzi laws in California.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the article (below) They either can't say what they really think or don't have any ideas to actually express. It comes across as either inauthentic or boringly bland hot air. They don't seem to really stand for anything or say anything with conviction, unless it's about the Royal Family. So people tune out.

"On the August 2022 cover of The Cut Meghan did to promote her first—and only—Spotify podcast, Archetypes, she said, “I’m, like, so excited to talk,” and “It’s like I’m finding—not finding my voice. I’ve had my voice for a long time, but being able to use it.” When repeatedly asked by the interviewer what she wanted to say with her newly free voice, Meghan demurred. “I have a lot to say until I don’t. Do you like that? Sometimes, as they say, the silent part is still part of the song,” she said, noting, “I’ve never had to sign anything that restricts me from talking. I can talk about my whole experience and make a choice not to.” "

Word salad

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So he quit the toxic royal family and she figured out how to monetize the situation. What’s so wrong about that? They are in love and have beautiful children and seem happy.

+1

We don’t know if they are smart or not or sociopaths or not or anything or not.

The BRF PR machine is powerful, and many of your ideas and assumptions have been influenced by highly paid PR people and their agencies.

This doesn’t make sense. The only things they have done that have been successful have been to trash the BRF through the book and tv show. I don’t think the BRF PR machine did that. Everything else they have done has been vapid nonsense. It’s not the BRF PR machine’s fault (though it must have been an amazing day for them) that her podcast was painfully bad and wasn’t renewed.

Agree. I was sympathetic to both and wanted the best for them. But Oprah followed by Netflix series followed by book was so icky. I have no respect for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, this part is not a surprise at all.

"Two sources say a colleague with ties to Archetypes took a leave of absence after working on three episodes, then left Gimlet altogether. Several others described taking extended breaks from work to escape scrutiny, exiting their job, or undergoing long-term therapy after working with Meghan. The person who interacted professionally with her says, “I think if Meghan acknowledged her own shortcomings or personal contributions to situations rather than staying trapped in a victim narrative, her perception might be better.” They added, with the soggy laugh of a plebe rendering judgment on the Duchess of Sussex, “But who am I to criticize Meghan Markle? She’s doing great.”"

But that seems like an extreme reaction. It’s too over-the-top to be believable. Multiple people taking a leave of absence? Needing therapy? Just from Meghan’s behavior? Are these people in their early twenties who don’t have much experience in life/resilience?

I get having a difficult boss and quitting a job but this seems odd, and a bit hyperbolic. Who are these “sources?”

Could the sources not be named because she made everyone sign an NDA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.

Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)

They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.

Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."

Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.

We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.

You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.

Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

Because one of the main premises of their leaving was because they were being held back, not allowed to do the work they wanted to do. So now it begs the question, held back from what? They apparently didn't actually have any good ideas or goals other than making money which was never going to be allowed in the BRF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

Because one of the main premises of their leaving was because they were being held back, not allowed to do the work they wanted to do. So now it begs the question, held back from what? They apparently didn't actually have any good ideas or goals other than making money which was never going to be allowed in the BRF.

Also, I think people would have accepted them if they had just left and done their stuff, but instead they had to go through several rounds of trashing the RF for money. And after they trash the RF, they still try to use the RF association for money whenever they can. Do you honestly not see how gross this is? It's not race, I don't like Harry for the same reasons I don't like Meghan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.

That’s not what gaslighting actually means

NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.

I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.

Honestly, same. They’re rich, but they don’t have billions to set up huge foundations. They’re doing more good than a lot of people of their SES.

I don’t follow them on social media and now that I stopped using Twitter, the only time I see stories about them is right here. The first few pages of these threads might be general interest DCUM users, but after that I assume it’s the haters coming in - especially when the silly nicknames come out. I can’t imagine being that passionate about such an insignificant thing.