American Hustlers: Meghan and Harry

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.


It's the same as anyone who disagrees with Meghan is a racist.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


What?! Is this true??


Yes. When she brings along a camera crew to record herself paying respects, it gives the appearance that she’s not genuine. This sums the biggest problem as to why she hasn’t been embraced by the public- she lacks credibility and genuineness.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-uvalde-cynical-critics-comment-1710898


Oh my goodness. Yes she went to Uvalde. No she didn’t bring a camera crew. There were camera crews at the memorial capturing everyone who stopped by for b-roll/still photos.

And I don’t care if her haters think it’s bad that she went. Her presence was appreciated by the community members, including the family of Irma Garcia who has kept in contact with her ever since.


She had no business there. It's crass.


I thought she did have her own camera crew at Uvalde?
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Because one of the main premises of their leaving was because they were being held back, not allowed to do the work they wanted to do. So now it begs the question, held back from what? They apparently didn't actually have any good ideas or goals other than making money which was never going to be allowed in the BRF.


Was that the premise of them leaving? I always got the impression that it was largely because they were being treated terribly by the press and felt the family was letting them take the hits instead of protecting them. It also seems like Harry has some long-simmering tensions with his dad and brother as a result of being on the outside looking in on the whole line of succession, and that came to a head.

I don't remember them being like "We could change the world, if only we were more empowered by the Queen." It seemed like a private family spat that became public because it's the BRF.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.


The level of fixation and anger towards them is "hate." Not in like a "hate speech" kind of way, but just in that you can tell that people spend a weird amount of time being mad about Harry & Meghan and it's like... why.

Like people on this thread are mad that Meghan went to Uvalde and that she handed out water during the fires with Jose Andrés org, is that right? I don't actually know about either of those things but it just seems like standard rich socialite stuff. Why would you be mad that she visited the site of a horrible tragedy. It probably annoyed some people there and made other people feel good that this famous person came and expressed an interest in them. Standard stuff. Same with the fires. Is it really offensive? Is this really worth getting worked up about? Who does this hurt.

I will repeat: I don't get it. There are so many people who fall into this same category (wealthy, a bit of Main Character Syndrome, but by and large harmless and may even occasionally do some good). Why the fixation on these two? They just seem so innocuous to me.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Because one of the main premises of their leaving was because they were being held back, not allowed to do the work they wanted to do. So now it begs the question, held back from what? They apparently didn't actually have any good ideas or goals other than making money which was never going to be allowed in the BRF.


Was that the premise of them leaving? I always got the impression that it was largely because they were being treated terribly by the press and felt the family was letting them take the hits instead of protecting them. It also seems like Harry has some long-simmering tensions with his dad and brother as a result of being on the outside looking in on the whole line of succession, and that came to a head.

I don't remember them being like "We could change the world, if only we were more empowered by the Queen." It seemed like a private family spat that became public because it's the BRF.


Of course it was. In Harry's words from the article you haven't read:

"The couple repeatedly expressed frustration in Harry & Meghan that Meghan wasn’t tapped as an asset for upholding the crown’s international interests in an era when Prince William was tasked with expressing “profound sorrow” for the “appalling atrocity of slavery” during a tour to Jamaica. As historian David Olusoga says in the docuseries, “Part of what makes the inability of the palace to defend Meghan an even bigger disaster is that the center of the argument for the monarchy in this country is the commonwealth. The commonwealth is 2.5 billion, mainly Black and brown people. Here was a woman who looked like most of the people in the commonwealth.” Harry speaks shortly after and says the palace and its denizens “have already missed an enormous opportunity with my wife and how far that would go globally.” The source familiar with the couple says it’s important to note that Harry isn’t an anti-monarchist. “He just didn’t like the way things were run within the institution,” he says. “His issues are about people and behaviors, not tradition.” "
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


It isn’t about about race for a lot of people and it’s annoying that everyone reflexively uses this as an excuse. You know who a lot of people HATE for being inauthentic and rich and having a lifestyle brand? Gwenyth Paltrow. Meghan is very similar to her, except with the added benefit of being a duchess (who hates how victimized she was by the royal family, but can’t stop using her title and the royal story).
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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.


Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)


They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.


Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."


Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.


We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.


You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.


Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."



I love TLo so this is said with love but: this is the pettiest $hit, omg. It's pure speculation and gossip mongering. I love reading their blog in part because I enjoy observations like this but this is just idle gossip and b!itchery. "She claimed she was forced to wear neutrals but HA! she now wears them by choice!" This is about the level of commentary and critique I'd expect from a particularly clique-y group of waitresses at an expensive restaurant in discussing the socialites who dine there.

That Vanity Fair manages to fill so many pages with this is really something. I'm sure it will sell and get them clicks, so good for them. But let's be realistic about the level of "journalism" here. This is a longer, more elegantly written version of a Daily Mail article about Meghan eating avocados while pregnant.
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Anonymous wrote:Meghan haters: I wish they would go away!!!!
Also Meghan haters: yes I have plenty of time to read a 30 page article about the people I hate.


Harry and Meghan: We are leaving royal life for our privacy and our family. Leave us alone!
Also Harry and Meghan: Have you seen my tell all…Netflix Special, Oprah interview, book or bought some of my jam, seen my kids on the cover of People and watched “With Love, Meghan”” (oh the irony)


They never said it was about privacy. They wanted to be free of the Royal Rota. You would too.


Don't be obtuse. They said they wanted to be out of the newspapers and "avoid scrutiny." Except for when they want publicity for their jam, Netflix and books - then they want press and coverage. But they only want positive press. That's not the way it works. As the Netflix Exec who worked with them said, "they're grifters."


Nah, they left because they didn’t want to live in a world where they were scapegoated to cover up William and Kate’s missteps or issues. They were right to leave. Imagine if they stayed, this year would’ve been a complete train wreck for them.

I think most people are conflating them leaving the royal family with Harry’s lawsuit against the Sun for a complete invasion into his privacy (eg literally hacking and wiretapping his phone for over a decade!). You can want a public persona but not want your privacy invaded in an illegal way and lies to be printed about you. That’s not hypocritical.


We've heard this all before. They were outshining, they are so much better, but it's been years. They have nothing to show for supposed popularity, skill, hard work, etc. That is the point. It was always smoke and mirrors.

DP. None of that means they weren’t outshining though. The entire BRF is quite drab. And there’s really no evidence that anyone else that left, save Diana, would’ve had popularity or success outside the firm.


You don’t seem to understand the BRF - just like Meghan didn’t. “Shining brightly” isn’t their brand. Queen Elizabeth was beloved. She was serious, dowdy, and civilized. Impeccable manners and service minded. It was never about her. Diana, while glamorous, was always genuine and service minded. Meghan and Harry want to be viewed as service minded, but their time away from the BRF shows what they are really interested in.


Speaking of not understanding the BRF. From the article:

" “Meghan is the type of woman who would check a menu out online before going to a restaurant to pick what she was going to eat,” says Tom Fitzgerald, a fashion and cultural commentator who, with his husband, Lorenzo Marquez, comprise the brand Tom and Lorenzo. (A resident of Montecito who ate lunch in the same restaurant as Meghan said the server told her Meghan had called ahead to ask about the privacy of the seating arrangement.) “So the idea that she didn’t know she was supposed to curtsy for the queen, I just didn’t find it particularly believable, because [based on] everything she ever told us about herself, I cannot imagine that she went into meeting the royal family completely cold, with no research whatsoever.” Fitzgerald also points to Meghan’s repeated claims that she was forced to wear neutrals during her time in the palace in order to avoid upstaging or competing with Queen Elizabeth and other senior members of the family, noting that Meghan’s wardrobe is now primarily composed of that palate."



I love TLo so this is said with love but: this is the pettiest $hit, omg. It's pure speculation and gossip mongering. I love reading their blog in part because I enjoy observations like this but this is just idle gossip and b!itchery. "She claimed she was forced to wear neutrals but HA! she now wears them by choice!" This is about the level of commentary and critique I'd expect from a particularly clique-y group of waitresses at an expensive restaurant in discussing the socialites who dine there.

That Vanity Fair manages to fill so many pages with this is really something. I'm sure it will sell and get them clicks, so good for them. But let's be realistic about the level of "journalism" here. This is a longer, more elegantly written version of a Daily Mail article about Meghan eating avocados while pregnant.


It's more interesting than the nonsense said by this couple that says nothing really at all.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Because one of the main premises of their leaving was because they were being held back, not allowed to do the work they wanted to do. So now it begs the question, held back from what? They apparently didn't actually have any good ideas or goals other than making money which was never going to be allowed in the BRF.


Was that the premise of them leaving? I always got the impression that it was largely because they were being treated terribly by the press and felt the family was letting them take the hits instead of protecting them. It also seems like Harry has some long-simmering tensions with his dad and brother as a result of being on the outside looking in on the whole line of succession, and that came to a head.

I don't remember them being like "We could change the world, if only we were more empowered by the Queen." It seemed like a private family spat that became public because it's the BRF.


They left bc Meghan/rachel was called out for being a bully and rude to staff. She claimed they were racist and played the victim card, manipulating Harry into thinking she wasn’t “safe” and poor Harry had unresolved issues with his mother not being safe…
Harry does obviously have a lot of issues to begin with, he abused drugs and alcohol and was pretty inappropriate at times. We are all just a work in progress.
Meghan seems to love drama.

It’s just funny, those of us who’ve had a damaging narcissist in our lives recognize the same behaviors from her.

And by the way, they take their own camera crew everywhere - disaster tours, touristy global tours, and forbid any outside press from their tours. Much of it is staged.

I just feel for the children.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.


The level of fixation and anger towards them is "hate." Not in like a "hate speech" kind of way, but just in that you can tell that people spend a weird amount of time being mad about Harry & Meghan and it's like... why.

Like people on this thread are mad that Meghan went to Uvalde and that she handed out water during the fires with Jose Andrés org, is that right? I don't actually know about either of those things but it just seems like standard rich socialite stuff. Why would you be mad that she visited the site of a horrible tragedy. It probably annoyed some people there and made other people feel good that this famous person came and expressed an interest in them. Standard stuff. Same with the fires. Is it really offensive? Is this really worth getting worked up about? Who does this hurt.

I will repeat: I don't get it. There are so many people who fall into this same category (wealthy, a bit of Main Character Syndrome, but by and large harmless and may even occasionally do some good). Why the fixation on these two? They just seem so innocuous to me.


For me, it’s because of the children. It’s just terrible.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


It isn’t about about race for a lot of people and it’s annoying that everyone reflexively uses this as an excuse. You know who a lot of people HATE for being inauthentic and rich and having a lifestyle brand? Gwenyth Paltrow. Meghan is very similar to her, except with the added benefit of being a duchess (who hates how victimized she was by the royal family, but can’t stop using her title and the royal story).


Right, I agree -- Meghan is offensive at about the same level as Gwyneth Paltrow. They are remarkably similar except that Gwyneth grew up much richer and more privileged and her was a full nepo baby whereas Meghan was merely MC to UMC and maybe partially nepo baby due to her dad's industry connections (but nowhere on the level of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner).

But people don't get nearly this angry about Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes, she gets hate, but nothing like Meghan. I remember a thread last year where Meghan and Harry went to a basketball game and there were a few grainy photos of them in a suite, and people were doing like technical analysis on whether the other people in the suite hated them and if they were getting divorced based on how many inches were between them in a photo or something. And this detailed breakdown of Meghan's outfit (which was just like a nothing outfit, a pair of shorts and a blazer, it was nothing exciting or offensive or particularly attention grabbing). I've never seen people respond that way to a few pap shots of Paltrow eating lunch or attending an event, have you?

So I find myself baffled as to why people are soooo fixated on Meghan and the only think I can come up with is that it is discomfort with a WOC marrying into the royal family. I'd love to be wrong but I can't think of another explanation as to why she gets this response. It's very weird to me. There are so many celebs like this that don't get anywhere near this level of attention or anger.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.


The level of fixation and anger towards them is "hate." Not in like a "hate speech" kind of way, but just in that you can tell that people spend a weird amount of time being mad about Harry & Meghan and it's like... why.

Like people on this thread are mad that Meghan went to Uvalde and that she handed out water during the fires with Jose Andrés org, is that right? I don't actually know about either of those things but it just seems like standard rich socialite stuff. Why would you be mad that she visited the site of a horrible tragedy. It probably annoyed some people there and made other people feel good that this famous person came and expressed an interest in them. Standard stuff. Same with the fires. Is it really offensive? Is this really worth getting worked up about? Who does this hurt.

I will repeat: I don't get it. There are so many people who fall into this same category (wealthy, a bit of Main Character Syndrome, but by and large harmless and may even occasionally do some good). Why the fixation on these two? They just seem so innocuous to me.


For me, it’s because of the children. It’s just terrible.


What about the kids? They are wealthy kids in an intact family whose parents appear to do a pretty good job of shielding them from the press. This is like the least upsetting thing about Harry & Meghan. I don't even know what those kids actually look like and that actually a good thing.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


What?! Is this true??


Yes. When she brings along a camera crew to record herself paying respects, it gives the appearance that she’s not genuine. This sums the biggest problem as to why she hasn’t been embraced by the public- she lacks credibility and genuineness.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-uvalde-cynical-critics-comment-1710898


Oh my goodness. Yes she went to Uvalde. No she didn’t bring a camera crew. There were camera crews at the memorial capturing everyone who stopped by for b-roll/still photos.

And I don’t care if her haters think it’s bad that she went. Her presence was appreciated by the community members, including the family of Irma Garcia who has kept in contact with her ever since.


She had no business there. It's crass.


I thought she did have her own camera crew at Uvalde?


Nope. It happened after their Netflix deal was announced, but before they released anything. She was seen near cameras - and had a couple photographers following her from the crowd at one point - so haters concocted stories that she brought her own camera crews. The cameras were already there for the memorial. Yes, she walked in front of them and she was aware that they’d snap her picture, but she didn’t bring them with her. She didn’t need to.

There is only footage of her at the memorial, but she made several other stops that day - no pics.

They could have just stopped and said “pap stroll” at Uvalde, but that wouldn’t be enough to make people angry.

Textbook misinformation campaign.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


That’s not what gaslighting actually means


NP. I wouldn’t have used the term “gaslighters” but I do think Harry and Megan have a victim mentality.

Even on this thread, people seem to be blaming the Royal Family, William and Kate, “haters,” and disgruntled employees for the fact that H&M haven’t done anything significant in the past few years.

Like, it’s everyone’s fault except H&M that they are floundering? Ok sure.

Face it, Harry and Megan aren’t that smart, aren’t that special. Making jam and being a “lifestyle” influencer? She’s no Diana.

That last paragraph of the article is spot on.


I don't think they are special but I don't understand the hate towards them. I don't expect them to do anything "significant" so I guess I have not been particularly disappointed in them? What were others expecting? Lifestyle influencer seems like about the right job for Meghan. I don't know that there is a right job for Harry, though I think he's found something good to do with the Invictus games.

I don't get what else people are looking for. He's the second son of a British monarch, she's an actress turned "princess." People like this have always existed and they are often mildly interesting in a "how the other half lives" sort of way. I don't understand why they provoke such intense feelings from people. I do think if you absolutely hate Meghan, it might be worth exploring if it has to do with her race. I get not worshiping her, but she's too inoffensive to me to *hate* her unless you hate all vapid, privileged people. But the people who hate Meghan the most tend to worship other people in this same social strata.

I don't get it.


Can you give examples of what people are saying on this thread that you perceive is “hate” toward H&M?

Saying that they aren’t special or smart isn’t “hate”, is it?

Pointing out that their podcast sucked isn’t “hate,” right?

Saying she’s no Diana isn’t hate… it’s just a fact.


The level of fixation and anger towards them is "hate." Not in like a "hate speech" kind of way, but just in that you can tell that people spend a weird amount of time being mad about Harry & Meghan and it's like... why.

Like people on this thread are mad that Meghan went to Uvalde and that she handed out water during the fires with Jose Andrés org, is that right? I don't actually know about either of those things but it just seems like standard rich socialite stuff. Why would you be mad that she visited the site of a horrible tragedy. It probably annoyed some people there and made other people feel good that this famous person came and expressed an interest in them. Standard stuff. Same with the fires. Is it really offensive? Is this really worth getting worked up about? Who does this hurt.

I will repeat: I don't get it. There are so many people who fall into this same category (wealthy, a bit of Main Character Syndrome, but by and large harmless and may even occasionally do some good). Why the fixation on these two? They just seem so innocuous to me.


For me, it’s because of the children. It’s just terrible.


What about the kids? They are wealthy kids in an intact family whose parents appear to do a pretty good job of shielding them from the press. This is like the least upsetting thing about Harry & Meghan. I don't even know what those kids actually look like and that actually a good thing.


I guess it’s because they’re juxtaposed with their cousins who have a very public life. Most celebrities choose privacy for their kids, especially if they were child stars themselves. Living in California makes that easier.
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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a fan of Meghan. Believed their side of the story. Then Uvalde happened and she brought camera men with her for a PR stunt. It was despicable. When the scales fall off your eyes, you start to understand what a pair of gaslighters they truly are.


What?! Is this true??


Yes. When she brings along a camera crew to record herself paying respects, it gives the appearance that she’s not genuine. This sums the biggest problem as to why she hasn’t been embraced by the public- she lacks credibility and genuineness.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-uvalde-cynical-critics-comment-1710898


Oh my goodness. Yes she went to Uvalde. No she didn’t bring a camera crew. There were camera crews at the memorial capturing everyone who stopped by for b-roll/still photos.

And I don’t care if her haters think it’s bad that she went. Her presence was appreciated by the community members, including the family of Irma Garcia who has kept in contact with her ever since.


She had no business there. It's crass.


I thought she did have her own camera crew at Uvalde?


Nope. It happened after their Netflix deal was announced, but before they released anything. She was seen near cameras - and had a couple photographers following her from the crowd at one point - so haters concocted stories that she brought her own camera crews. The cameras were already there for the memorial. Yes, she walked in front of them and she was aware that they’d snap her picture, but she didn’t bring them with her. She didn’t need to.

There is only footage of her at the memorial, but she made several other stops that day - no pics.

They could have just stopped and said “pap stroll” at Uvalde, but that wouldn’t be enough to make people angry.

Textbook misinformation campaign.


Why was she there exactly?
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