How much does IQ matter?

[Anonymous]

It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

What happens to kids during k-8 though? How does ES and MS set up a kid to be on a globally or nationally competitive "track" by 9th grade?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

It’s such a travesty that these facts are being ignored. So everyone has to waste time, teachers get aggravated and quit, all because some people don’t want to face reality because it’s not PC or whatever. Very sad.

You don't understand that low IQ have no where to go. Who is being PC about it? They don't qualify for special ed. There aren't any vocational technical programs. Maybe they became criminals and fuel the school to prison pipeline. Or they drop out. If you don't like it, work to change the law. Provide more funding for reading teachers.

Children with lower IQs may plateau. They don't plateau in kindergarten class. Think people. It's kindergarten. They're either not being taught by a good teacher. Or the teacher has her hands full. K through 3 needs extra adults in the room to help with different reading grade levels. This is just common sense and common knowledge. Are you low IQ that you think children are stupid in kindergarten?

They just need to separate classes by reading level at that age. If the kid can’t read going into 1st grade then they shouldn’t be in the same room with kids that have been reading for 3 years. Nobody wins.

If a kid has been reading since 3 years old, it more than likely means he/she is on the autism spectrum.

It probably just means that someone in the household has been reading aloud to the child. That's how children learn to read.

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

What happens to kids during k-8 though? How does ES and MS set up a kid to be on a globally or nationally competitive "track" by 9th grade?

Parents.

Parents filling in the gaps from missing concepts or concepts covered too quickly in math, writing, grammar, science, history, and even common sense stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

It’s such a travesty that these facts are being ignored. So everyone has to waste time, teachers get aggravated and quit, all because some people don’t want to face reality because it’s not PC or whatever. Very sad.

You don't understand that low IQ have no where to go. Who is being PC about it? They don't qualify for special ed. There aren't any vocational technical programs. Maybe they became criminals and fuel the school to prison pipeline. Or they drop out. If you don't like it, work to change the law. Provide more funding for reading teachers.

Children with lower IQs may plateau. They don't plateau in kindergarten class. Think people. It's kindergarten. They're either not being taught by a good teacher. Or the teacher has her hands full. K through 3 needs extra adults in the room to help with different reading grade levels. This is just common sense and common knowledge. Are you low IQ that you think children are stupid in kindergarten?

They just need to separate classes by reading level at that age. If the kid can’t read going into 1st grade then they shouldn’t be in the same room with kids that have been reading for 3 years. Nobody wins.

If a kid has been reading since 3 years old, it more than likely means he/she is on the autism spectrum.

It probably just means that someone in the household has been reading aloud to the child. That's how children learn to read.

Smart youngest children often want to join in with their older sibs, grab their books or homework, or catch up.

Our 4.5 yo sat in the virtual classes with our 1st grader when everyone was sent home in March 2020. Little sis had a blast and the teacher was fun about it too.

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

I think you mean if you want K-12 public schools to bring back tracking, then passing School Vouchers will make them compete and do that. Or create the Charter system that is actually VERY successful here in Wash DC and modeled after the successful public Charter schools in Los Angeles. Both were set up, were successful, and stemmed the move to private or out of the city entirely.

Unf school vouchers won't help everyone it needs to help, as there are not enough private and parochial schools out there. I guess PE could slap up some more national chain private schools like in the Bay area.

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Anonymous wrote:My average IQ son finished law school and is now a lawyer. You don’t need an above average IQ to earn multiple degrees.

Where are people taking all these IQ tests? Like for private school admittance at age 5?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

It’s such a travesty that these facts are being ignored. So everyone has to waste time, teachers get aggravated and quit, all because some people don’t want to face reality because it’s not PC or whatever. Very sad.

You don't understand that low IQ have no where to go. Who is being PC about it? They don't qualify for special ed. There aren't any vocational technical programs. Maybe they became criminals and fuel the school to prison pipeline. Or they drop out. If you don't like it, work to change the law. Provide more funding for reading teachers.

Children with lower IQs may plateau. They don't plateau in kindergarten class. Think people. It's kindergarten. They're either not being taught by a good teacher. Or the teacher has her hands full. K through 3 needs extra adults in the room to help with different reading grade levels. This is just common sense and common knowledge. Are you low IQ that you think children are stupid in kindergarten?

They just need to separate classes by reading level at that age. If the kid can’t read going into 1st grade then they shouldn’t be in the same room with kids that have been reading for 3 years. Nobody wins.

If a kid has been reading since 3 years old, it more than likely means he/she is on the autism spectrum.

It probably just means that someone in the household has been reading aloud to the child. That's how children learn to read.

Phonics is how ANY children can learn to read.

The "listening to others read" thing only works vocab expansion, and in reading, for kids who reverse engineer the easy phonics patterns, and later self-correct the difficult phonics or exception words.

[Anonymous]

My kids are both at 150 IQ based on these tests. They always have done well but are not exceptional. Solid students in good schools.

[Anonymous]

An IQ below 100 and above 140 will hamstring someone.

The sweet spot for IQ is 120-140.

100-120 will get you by and you could make up lost points with EQ, hard work, etc

140-150 can be mitigated

Above 150 and below 90 ish is gonna be tough

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

It’s such a travesty that these facts are being ignored. So everyone has to waste time, teachers get aggravated and quit, all because some people don’t want to face reality because it’s not PC or whatever. Very sad.

You don't understand that low IQ have no where to go. Who is being PC about it? They don't qualify for special ed. There aren't any vocational technical programs. Maybe they became criminals and fuel the school to prison pipeline. Or they drop out. If you don't like it, work to change the law. Provide more funding for reading teachers.

Children with lower IQs may plateau. They don't plateau in kindergarten class. Think people. It's kindergarten. They're either not being taught by a good teacher. Or the teacher has her hands full. K through 3 needs extra adults in the room to help with different reading grade levels. This is just common sense and common knowledge. Are you low IQ that you think children are stupid in kindergarten?

They just need to separate classes by reading level at that age. If the kid can’t read going into 1st grade then they shouldn’t be in the same room with kids that have been reading for 3 years. Nobody wins.

If a kid has been reading since 3 years old, it more than likely means he/she is on the autism spectrum.

It probably just means that someone in the household has been reading aloud to the child. That's how children learn to read.

Phonics is how ANY children can learn to read.

The "listening to others read" thing only works vocab expansion, and in reading, for kids who reverse engineer the easy phonics patterns, and later self-correct the difficult phonics or exception words.

Not dyslexic kids.

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Anonymous wrote:An IQ below 100 and above 140 will hamstring someone.

The sweet spot for IQ is 120-140.

100-120 will get you by and you could make up lost points with EQ, hard work, etc

140-150 can be mitigated

Above 150 and below 90 ish is gonna be tough

I agree with this completely.

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Anonymous wrote:An IQ below 100 and above 140 will hamstring someone.

The sweet spot for IQ is 120-140.

100-120 will get you by and you could make up lost points with EQ, hard work, etc

140-150 can be mitigated

Above 150 and below 90 ish is gonna be tough

I agree with this completely.

Read an actual study on it.
On average, very gifted people absolutely do have more intellectual accomplishments over the course of their career.

https://my.vanderbilt.edu/smpy/files/2013/01/Article-GCQ-Lubinski-Benbow-2021.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

I think you mean if you want K-12 public schools to bring back tracking, then passing School Vouchers will make them compete and do that. Or create the Charter system that is actually VERY successful here in Wash DC and modeled after the successful public Charter schools in Los Angeles. Both were set up, were successful, and stemmed the move to private or out of the city entirely.

Unf school vouchers won't help everyone it needs to help, as there are not enough private and parochial schools out there. I guess PE could slap up some more national chain private schools like in the Bay area.

I’m PP. I believe in charter schools as part of the solution to improving public education in the US.

As for a program championed by Vice Presidential Candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), school choice vouchers present only a temporary supply/demand problem:

- if you give taxpaying parents a choice and supply them with the vouchers they’ve already paid for, private schools will meet any demand which arises.