How much does IQ matter?

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

I think you mean if you want K-12 public schools to bring back tracking, then passing School Vouchers will make them compete and do that. Or create the Charter system that is actually VERY successful here in Wash DC and modeled after the successful public Charter schools in Los Angeles. Both were set up, were successful, and stemmed the move to private or out of the city entirely.

Unf school vouchers won't help everyone it needs to help, as there are not enough private and parochial schools out there. I guess PE could slap up some more national chain private schools like in the Bay area.

I’m PP. I believe in charter schools as part of the solution to improving public education in the US.

As for a program championed by Vice Presidential Candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), school choice vouchers present only a temporary supply/demand problem:

- if you give taxpaying parents a choice and supply them with the vouchers they’ve already paid for, private schools will meet any demand which arises.

^^^^ meant to add:

we lost Senator Lieberman in 2024 and our country is worse for it. Godspeed good sir; you are missed and will be remembered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

I think you mean if you want K-12 public schools to bring back tracking, then passing School Vouchers will make them compete and do that. Or create the Charter system that is actually VERY successful here in Wash DC and modeled after the successful public Charter schools in Los Angeles. Both were set up, were successful, and stemmed the move to private or out of the city entirely.

Unf school vouchers won't help everyone it needs to help, as there are not enough private and parochial schools out there. I guess PE could slap up some more national chain private schools like in the Bay area.

I’m PP. I believe in charter schools as part of the solution to improving public education in the US.

As for a program championed by Vice Presidential Candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), school choice vouchers present only a temporary supply/demand problem:

- if you give taxpaying parents a choice and supply them with the vouchers they’ve already paid for, private schools will meet any demand which arises.

How so? Land is very costly in dense areas, and so is tearing down old krap and building new buildings. Need huge bond offerings to do so.

Maybe DOGE can sell some Fed unused office space and make more Charter Schools here!?!

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent does IQ demonstrate intelligence? To what extent does it determine one's career and success in life? Can a person of average IQ become a doctor or a lawyer if they're determined enough?

What IQ is entry level for the Nobel Prize, National Academy of Sciences etc.

Is IQ a reliable indicator of success?

It doesn't encompass other essential factors for success, such as the ability to integrate into a team, navigate tense situations, or learn from mistakes. In fact, according to pioneers of emotional intelligence like Daniel Goleman and Reuven Bar-On, IQ accounts for only about 20% of professional success

https://www.centraltest.com/blog/iq-intelligence-quotient-still-reliable-indicator-success#:~:text=It%20doesn't%20encompass%20other,about%2020%25%20of%20professional%20success.

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Amen

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

I think you mean if you want K-12 public schools to bring back tracking, then passing School Vouchers will make them compete and do that. Or create the Charter system that is actually VERY successful here in Wash DC and modeled after the successful public Charter schools in Los Angeles. Both were set up, were successful, and stemmed the move to private or out of the city entirely.

Unf school vouchers won't help everyone it needs to help, as there are not enough private and parochial schools out there. I guess PE could slap up some more national chain private schools like in the Bay area.

I’m PP. I believe in charter schools as part of the solution to improving public education in the US.

As for a program championed by Vice Presidential Candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), school choice vouchers present only a temporary supply/demand problem:

- if you give taxpaying parents a choice and supply them with the vouchers they’ve already paid for, private schools will meet any demand which arises.

How so? Land is very costly in dense areas, and so is tearing down old krap and building new buildings. Need huge bond offerings to do so.

Maybe DOGE can sell some Fed unused office space and make more Charter Schools here!?!

Que? Private achools don't issue bonds.

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Welp I’m a genius but I have ADHD. Spouse does not have ADHD and is not a genius but has a terminal degree and makes 5x my earning potential.

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Why do so many people think they can tell what someone else's IQ is?

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No one pays attention to IQ’s anymore, it’s a cliche

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

I have also seen this. It is not something we are allowed to observe at my school, though. We must proceed as if every child can meet grade-level expectations, and if they don’t it’s on us. It’s hard to be a teacher at the moment.

But on the flip side many children who struggle early on go on to thrive. I have one. It was fun when they returned to elementary school as seniors and said where they were going to college. One teacher’s jaw dropped. A lot happens after elementary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may not be called tracking, but the public school system definitely has a wide variety of options so no worries that your snowflake is suffering because of kids with a lower IQ. The kids with SN and lower IQ are not holding your kid back. For example in high school there is category A and B for self-contained, there are team taught general ed (special ed and regular teacher) and regular general ed (1 teacher) and honors and AP.

NYC eliminated their G&T program entirely. Seattle followed and did the same. California public schools implemented similar measures throughout the state.

These moves have the effect of pushing the brightest kids (with wealthy parents) into private school, while diminishing the opportunities for every child left behind.

If you want states and counties to pass School Voucher legislation, this is the way to do it.

I think you mean if you want K-12 public schools to bring back tracking, then passing School Vouchers will make them compete and do that. Or create the Charter system that is actually VERY successful here in Wash DC and modeled after the successful public Charter schools in Los Angeles. Both were set up, were successful, and stemmed the move to private or out of the city entirely.

Unf school vouchers won't help everyone it needs to help, as there are not enough private and parochial schools out there. I guess PE could slap up some more national chain private schools like in the Bay area.

I’m PP. I believe in charter schools as part of the solution to improving public education in the US.

As for a program championed by Vice Presidential Candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), school choice vouchers present only a temporary supply/demand problem:

- if you give taxpaying parents a choice and supply them with the vouchers they’ve already paid for, private schools will meet any demand which arises.

How so? Land is very costly in dense areas, and so is tearing down old krap and building new buildings. Need huge bond offerings to do so.

Maybe DOGE can sell some Fed unused office space and make more Charter Schools here!?!

Que? Private achools don't issue bonds.

Private credit has come a long way. Even BASIS could get a lot loan or construction loan. Jsut show the projection model and all the supposed voucher demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welp I’m a genius but I have ADHD. Spouse does not have ADHD and is not a genius but has a terminal degree and makes 5x my earning potential.

5x your earnings or your earnings potential?

Earnings potential is a function of your chosen college, major, industry and experience. Plus some adhd mu factor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

I have also seen this. It is not something we are allowed to observe at my school, though. We must proceed as if every child can meet grade-level expectations, and if they don’t it’s on us. It’s hard to be a teacher at the moment.

But on the flip side many children who struggle early on go on to thrive. I have one. It was fun when they returned to elementary school as seniors and said where they were going to college. One teacher’s jaw dropped. A lot happens after elementary

I don't think you know what an IQ in the low 70s looks like...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in Mensa. It's not a bunch of highly successful people if you look at measures like career or financial success (or even relationship success). Plenty do well, but not much different from the general population.

IQ helps when it comes to being successful, but it's more than just that. EQ for example plays a big factor. So does motivation.

Well, Mensa is an organization for unsuccessful smart people to give them something to feel good about. The successful smart people generally aren’t interested; they find lots of intellectual stimulation in their day to day lives.

Like the special Olympics and/or every other group to have a sense of belonging. I think it's fine, but people with very high I.Q.s often have other problems. Often social or emotional.

What do you mean by "often"? People with middling IQs also often have other problems, too.

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent does IQ demonstrate intelligence? To what extent does it determine one's career and success in life? Can a person of average IQ become a doctor or a lawyer if they're determined enough?

What IQ is entry level for the Nobel Prize, National Academy of Sciences etc.

Is IQ a reliable indicator of success?

It doesn't encompass other essential factors for success, such as the ability to integrate into a team, navigate tense situations, or learn from mistakes. In fact, according to pioneers of emotional intelligence like Daniel Goleman and Reuven Bar-On, IQ accounts for only about 20% of professional success

https://www.centraltest.com/blog/iq-intelligence-quotient-still-reliable-indicator-success#:~:text=It%20doesn't%20encompass%20other,about%2020%25%20of%20professional%20success.

As I said earlier in the thread, you're comparing people in professional positions, all of whom have reasonably cognitive ability. It's on the lower end of the spectrum where IQ really makes a huge difference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a kindergarten teacher and the students who struggle almost always test out with IQs in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to learn new things. If an average kid learns letter names and sounds in the first few months of kindergarten, it takes these students until the end of the year or even into first grade to learn the same information. They fall behind from the beginning and never catch up. They just need a lot more repetition that cannot always be given in a school day. The same students who struggle in kindergarten are the same students who struggle in every subsequent grade level. Some of them have more determination but many give up by late elementary school and become behavior issues.

It’s such a travesty that these facts are being ignored. So everyone has to waste time, teachers get aggravated and quit, all because some people don’t want to face reality because it’s not PC or whatever. Very sad.

You don't understand that low IQ have no where to go. Who is being PC about it? They don't qualify for special ed. There aren't any vocational technical programs. Maybe they became criminals and fuel the school to prison pipeline. Or they drop out. If you don't like it, work to change the law. Provide more funding for reading teachers.

Children with lower IQs may plateau. They don't plateau in kindergarten class. Think people. It's kindergarten. They're either not being taught by a good teacher. Or the teacher has her hands full. K through 3 needs extra adults in the room to help with different reading grade levels. This is just common sense and common knowledge. Are you low IQ that you think children are stupid in kindergarten?

They just need to separate classes by reading level at that age. If the kid can’t read going into 1st grade then they shouldn’t be in the same room with kids that have been reading for 3 years. Nobody wins.

If a kid has been reading since 3 years old, it more than likely means he/she is on the autism spectrum.

It probably just means that someone in the household has been reading aloud to the child. That's how children learn to read.

Phonics is how ANY children can learn to read.

The "listening to others read" thing only works vocab expansion, and in reading, for kids who reverse engineer the easy phonics patterns, and later self-correct the difficult phonics or exception words.

Not dyslexic kids.

Such an obnoxious response that is so cringe.
Yes Becky, kids who have learning disabilities don’t learn to read in the same way that other kids do.
But when someone says “all kids love ice cream!” We all kinda get the point the person is making without some bozo piping in with “not kids who are allergic to ice cream!” :roll: