How many elite/top schools are there?

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

[Anonymous]

Just name your kid's school already and be done with the topic.

[Anonymous]

You guys sound awful.
Who cares?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?

I think y'all need a new topic of conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

+1. No ties to any of these schools but Berkeley continues to be a top university in several fields. Seems weird to pretend otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having a discussion with my mother and DH. He says 50, Mother says 65, I say about 30. What do yall think?

I think y'all need a new topic of conversation.

I agree, but I am eager to hear more about the confounding VTech:Tulane analogy. Do those two schools have a history of being compared with one another? What am I missing that makes that particular analogy meaningful in any shape or form?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

Cool your jets, kiddo. Is it possible that when people are discussing which universities are "elite," they are talking about undergraduate education? If we're talking about research output and graduate programs in isolation, both schools are "elite": UCLA is T10 and Berkeley is T5. But not everybody believes that such things are the ultimate measures of a school, and we don't want to provoke our SLAC friends. Until you can come to consensus on what is even being compared (each side is comparing different things), I wouldn't go around claiming others are dense.

Incidentally, if we're using parking spots to compare universities, I'm giving the edge to UCLA. Last time I went to a Cal football game, someone broke into my car that was very expensively parked in a campus garage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Upenn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke, JHU, Caltech, Northwestern, UCHICAGO, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, CMU, UCB, UCLA, Umich, UVA, Wellesley
The last 3 in Italics are borderline. So about 30ish.

Damn you are funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

1/3 are dead or barred from driving by the DMV because they’re just as old as your rankings, so feel free to park in their spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

+200000000000000000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

Cool your jets, kiddo. Is it possible that when people are discussing which universities are "elite," they are talking about undergraduate education? If we're talking about research output and graduate programs in isolation, both schools are "elite": UCLA is T10 and Berkeley is T5. But not everybody believes that such things are the ultimate measures of a school, and we don't want to provoke our SLAC friends. Until you can come to consensus on what is even being compared (each side is comparing different things), I wouldn't go around claiming others are dense.

Not people who are familiar with academia, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Minerva University is the hardest school to get into,1 percent acceptance rate. Way easier to get into Harvard

Minerva's a weird school.
There is no application fee so a lot of people apply.
The SAT scores are all over the place.
And just about the whole experience in online.
You spend each year or semester in a different city on a different continent.
It is not at all normal college experience