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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise. [/quote]

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal)  isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.[/quote]
I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.[/quote]

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?[/quote]
People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: [url]https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley[/url].  The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.[/quote]
Cool your jets, kiddo. Is it possible that when people are discussing which universities are "elite," they are talking about undergraduate education? If we're talking about research output and graduate programs in isolation, both schools are "elite": UCLA is T10 and Berkeley is T5. But not everybody believes that such things are the ultimate measures of a school, and we don't want to provoke our SLAC friends. Until you can come to consensus on what is even being compared (each side is comparing different things), I wouldn't go around claiming others are dense.

Incidentally, if we're using parking spots to compare universities, I'm giving the edge to UCLA. Last time I went to a Cal football game, someone broke into my car that was very expensively parked in a campus garage.  [/quote]

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