How many elite/top schools are there?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

And these realities are distorting when compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

And these realities are distorting when compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

DP. Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, and Johna Hopkins are similar imo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

And these realities are distorting when compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

No! it doesn't! It shows test taking ability (and a 1350 is a lousy score from a private high school) The BOTTOM 25th percentile at UVA has a 1410! Test scores are not indicative of resilence or discipline! GPA, course rigor and class rank are more determinative of that. Please don't comment if you have no idea what you are talking about!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

bAnd these realities are distorting bwhen compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

No! it doesn't! It shows test taking ability (and a 1350 is a lousy score from a private high school) The BOTTOM 25th percentile at UVA has a 1410! Test scores are not indicative of resilence or discipline! GPA, course rigor and class rank are more determinative of that. Please don't comment if you have no idea what you are talking about!

English please

[Anonymous]

ten pages and any college counselor will tell you it's the top 25 list by the gold standard USNWR. You all must be new at this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

DP. Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, and Johna Hopkins are similar imo.

Your opinion is delusional. Johns Hopkins has a 4.7 reputation score on USnews. Dartmouth has a 4.3, tied with Vanderbilt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ten pages and any college counselor will tell you it's the top 25 list by the gold standard USNWR. You all must be new at this.

+ Top 10 on the LAC list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

DP. Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, and Johna Hopkins are similar imo.

Your opinion is delusional. Johns Hopkins has a 4.7 reputation score on USnews. Dartmouth has a 4.3, tied with Vanderbilt.

It's reasonable to say that Dartmouth is similar to Hopkins at the undergrad level. Dartmouth actually has a lower acceptance rate, higher yield, and does better with cross admits.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Dartmouth+College&with=Johns+Hopkins+University

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:13

what is your 13?
mine would be ivies and Stanford MIT Duke Caltech Uchicago

So Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown are more elite than Northwestern, Johna Hopkins?

"More elite".

Not quite "most unique" but close.

[Anonymous]

I’m gonna say there’s 21.

HYPSM are the Mount Olympus of US colleges.

Other Universities I’d call elite are the other Ivies, Cal Tech, Northwestern, Hopkins, UChicago, Duke. Then I’d thrown in SWAT (maybe controversially?), West Point, and Annapolis and call it a day. There’s some on the fringe like Vandy, Notre Dame, Cal, etc., but I think those 21 are a notch above in terms of reputation and history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m gonna say there’s 21.

HYPSM are the Mount Olympus of US colleges.

Other Universities I’d call elite are the other Ivies, Cal Tech, Northwestern, Hopkins, UChicago, Duke. Then I’d thrown in SWAT (maybe controversially?), West Point, and Annapolis and call it a day. There’s some on the fringe like Vandy, Notre Dame, Cal, etc., but I think those 21 are a notch above in terms of reputation and history.

What is SWAT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what the issue is. The flagship schools in the big states - like California, Texas, and Michigan - tend to vacuum most of the great in-state students. And a 1350 from a shit school in Flint or Waco or Salinas is much more valuable than a 1550 from GDS or Sidwell or choose your privileged school. That 1350 from a difficult school shows resilience and talent and discipline. Texas, Berkeley, UNC - to their credit - are all focused on in-state students. Michigan will take more OOS students, but it remains primarily focused on in-state.

For the OOS students, you need to be a little extra special, but most importantly you need to be willing to pay twice as much as every other student at these schools.

And these realities are distorting when compared to the high endowment private schools. Harvard and Texas-Austin have different priorities.

No! it doesn't! It shows test taking ability (and a 1350 is a lousy score from a private high school) The BOTTOM 25th percentile at UVA has a 1410! Test scores are not indicative of resilence or discipline! GPA, course rigor and class rank are more determinative of that. Please don't comment if you have no idea what you are talking about!

From their School Profile, Georgetown Day School's SAT range in 2019-2020, back when just about everyone was taking it, looked like this:

Subject, middle 50%, mean
Reading and Writing, 665-740, 696
Math, 635-760, 691

So 1350 is in the middle 50% for an elite school, which suggests that it is, in fact, a quite good score by the standards of private schools.

UVA is trying to pull a fast one on you. 1410 marks the 25th percentile of *submitted* scores. About 40% of students don't submit any test scores. The true 25th score is much lower, I would hazard a guess of it being in the loser 1200s.

For what it's worth, statistical data suggests that high academic test scores correlate with everything nice. So you have some screw-ups that scored 1600 on the SATs, but fewer, proportionately, than 1500, and the 1500s have fewer screw-ups, proportionately, than the 1400s, and so on.