If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?

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There is a reason why so many NJ and NY kids go to school out of state or private.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

? The vast majority of students at state colleges are from in state.

Regardless, people don't care about "number of teachers produced", "number of farmers helped".. when they choose a college. You have to be joking, or a fool.

so I’m supposed to care about Forbes clickbait instead of … the actual quality of a state university? state universities exist to provide benefits to the state. helping farmers is WHY Madison was established. if you don’t get this, you fail to understand how the system works.

https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

So we are supposed to care about the reason the univ was established in the 1800s in the 21st century? LOL

I think you are the one who fails to understand how the system works *TODAY*. Maybe you need to time warp yourself back to the 1800s.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

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Anonymous wrote:Silly thread even by DCUM standards. The different states’ public university systems evolved to address different needs. Madison was established to be the premier university in Wisconsin, to this day there’s only one other WI school in the top 100 (Marquette at 81), and the rest of Wisconsin’s public universities lag (very) far behind in resources and reputation. The SUNY system was established a century later, to complement a lot of strong existing private universities in NY state (currently NY has nine private universities among USNWR’s top 100 - more than any other state), and its resources were spread evenly over a number of different campuses with different programs. Result: Madison is WI’s only nationally known public university, while SUNY has three ranked in the top 100, and NY state sends nearly 10% more of its high school graduates to college than WI does (72% vs 64%). Hard to say which system is ‘better.’ But sure, if you’re a typical DCUM commenter attracted to colleges based on their sports ‘spirit,’ proximity to restaurants and shopping, and old buildings, give the nod to Madison.

Excellent response. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree with OP’s entire premise. But to be generous I suppose one could argue that NY and NJ systems don’t have a singular flagship the way most states do, so it might feel like the system is weak. But it’s not.

Exactly. It has a number of extremely strong schools. As one example, if your kid is interested in medicine, there is almost no stronger place than stony Brook.

And Bing is great. As is Buffalo. And Albany. And there are a number of others like geneseo. But is there a single super popular flag ship with a well known sports culture? No, but your kid can still get an amazing education at any of these schools.

Definitely.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

? The vast majority of students at state colleges are from in state.

Regardless, people don't care about "number of teachers produced", "number of farmers helped".. when they choose a college. You have to be joking, or a fool.

so I’m supposed to care about Forbes clickbait instead of … the actual quality of a state university? state universities exist to provide benefits to the state. helping farmers is WHY Madison was established. if you don’t get this, you fail to understand how the system works.

https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

So we are supposed to care about the reason the univ was established in the 1800s in the 21st century? LOL

I think you are the one who fails to understand how the system works *TODAY*. Maybe you need to time warp yourself back to the 1800s.

State flagships still exist for the benefit of the state, and that includes ag for Wisconsin and many other flagships in states with agricultural industries. Out of state students are tuition dollars, that’s it.

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Nonsense. There is no public university in the Northeast that competes with Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Purdue, UIUC, Michigan, Washington, Georgia Tech, UMD, Virginia Tech, William and Mary, UC Davis and on and on. And don't reply with Cornell and MIT are technically land grant universities so therefore they are the best public colleges in America. Tedious semantics that have nothing to do with reality. The rest of the country values affordable public education much more than the NE.

Penn State compares favorably with many of those schools, especially at the lower end. Depending on the which ranking you look at, it is even higher than some of them. It was just ranked 17th among US publics and 100 overall by the World University Rankings for 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:New York is building SUNY Stony Brook up to be a more traditional state flagship

This is the governor trolling for votes. Same with Buffalo.

Not PP. No, it’s true. I have a college senior. They are building up Stony Brook to be at Binghamton’s stature.

Newsflash: Stony Brook is already at Binghamton’s stature, if not higher.

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is a great school - but campus and school spirit suck.

The campus is a mishmash and so poorly designed.

+1 Students have decent outcomes (my niece went there), but the campus sucks.

And Rutgers in-state is really $40,000 per year all-in with dorms and without merit aid. That means a lot of private schools and out-of-state public schools can match its price.

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is a great school - but campus and school spirit suck.

The campus is a mishmash and so poorly designed.

+1 Students have decent outcomes (my niece went there), but the campus sucks.

And Rutgers in-state is really $40,000 per year all-in with dorms and without merit aid. That means a lot of private schools and out-of-state public schools can match its price.

UCs and UVA are similar in price

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Anonymous wrote:New York is building SUNY Stony Brook up to be a more traditional state flagship

This is the governor trolling for votes. Same with Buffalo.

Not PP. No, it’s true. I have a college senior. They are building up Stony Brook to be at Binghamton’s stature.

Newsflash: Stony Brook is already at Binghamton’s stature, if not higher.

Seriously. Who are these posters?

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

? The vast majority of students at state colleges are from in state.

Regardless, people don't care about "number of teachers produced", "number of farmers helped".. when they choose a college. You have to be joking, or a fool.

so I’m supposed to care about Forbes clickbait instead of … the actual quality of a state university? state universities exist to provide benefits to the state. helping farmers is WHY Madison was established. if you don’t get this, you fail to understand how the system works.

https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

So we are supposed to care about the reason the univ was established in the 1800s in the 21st century? LOL

I think you are the one who fails to understand how the system works *TODAY*. Maybe you need to time warp yourself back to the 1800s.

State flagships still exist for the benefit of the state, and that includes ag for Wisconsin and many other flagships in states with agricultural industries. Out of state students are tuition dollars, that’s it.

And you think the majority of UWI students are majoring in farming?

https://www.collegeraptor.com/colleges/majors/University-of-Wisconsin-Madison-WI--240444

CS is their #1 degree. I guess WI went from serving the Ag industry to serving the Silicon Valley industry. Econ was the next highest.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is a great school - but campus and school spirit suck.

The campus is a mishmash and so poorly designed.

+1 Students have decent outcomes (my niece went there), but the campus sucks.

And Rutgers in-state is really $40,000 per year all-in with dorms and without merit aid. That means a lot of private schools and out-of-state public schools can match its price.

PP here with the niece who went to Rutgers. My kid is at UMDCP, and I was telling my sibling how much tuition was at UMD. My sibling was shocked at how cheap our in state tuition was compared to Rutgers.

My niece, thankfully, got great merit.