If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

? The vast majority of students at state colleges are from in state.

Regardless, people don't care about "number of teachers produced", "number of farmers helped".. when they choose a college. You have to be joking, or a fool.

so I’m supposed to care about Forbes clickbait instead of … the actual quality of a state university? state universities exist to provide benefits to the state. helping farmers is WHY Madison was established. if you don’t get this, you fail to understand how the system works.

https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

So we are supposed to care about the reason the univ was established in the 1800s in the 21st century? LOL

I think you are the one who fails to understand how the system works *TODAY*. Maybe you need to time warp yourself back to the 1800s.

State flagships still exist for the benefit of the state, and that includes ag for Wisconsin and many other flagships in states with agricultural industries. Out of state students are tuition dollars, that’s it.

And you think the majority of UWI students are majoring in farming?

https://www.collegeraptor.com/colleges/majors/University-of-Wisconsin-Madison-WI--240444

CS is their #1 degree. I guess WI went from serving the Ag industry to serving the Silicon Valley industry. Econ was the next highest.

No. But I’m not suprised that’s what you think I meant.

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is a great school - but campus and school spirit suck.

The campus is a mishmash and so poorly designed.

+1 Students have decent outcomes (my niece went there), but the campus sucks.

And Rutgers in-state is really $40,000 per year all-in with dorms and without merit aid. That means a lot of private schools and out-of-state public schools can match its price.

PP here with the niece who went to Rutgers. My kid is at UMDCP, and I was telling my sibling how much tuition was at UMD. My sibling was shocked at how cheap our in state tuition was compared to Rutgers.

My niece, thankfully, got great merit.

Rutgers offers tons of merit scholarships.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

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Northern transplant living in the South. There’s a lot of enthusiasm and support for state flagships down here.

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Anonymous wrote:Silly thread even by DCUM standards. The different states’ public university systems evolved to address different needs. Madison was established to be the premier university in Wisconsin, to this day there’s only one other WI school in the top 100 (Marquette at 81), and the rest of Wisconsin’s public universities lag (very) far behind in resources and reputation. The SUNY system was established a century later, to complement a lot of strong existing private universities in NY state (currently NY has nine private universities among USNWR’s top 100 - more than any other state), and its resources were spread evenly over a number of different campuses with different programs. Result: Madison is WI’s only nationally known public university, while SUNY has three ranked in the top 100, and NY state sends nearly 10% more of its high school graduates to college than WI does (72% vs 64%). Hard to say which system is ‘better.’ But sure, if you’re a typical DCUM commenter attracted to colleges based on their sports ‘spirit,’ proximity to restaurants and shopping, and old buildings, give the nod to Madison.

+100. This is all driven by the collective insanity induced by the fact that admissions to the same colleges we went to are more difficult for our kids. Hence parents obsessed with an out of state flagship as a subsitute for prestige, with zero understanding of how higher education works.

I am from Lake County Illinois near the state line. The high school was excellent. A sizeable number of people at my high school chose Wisconsin over Illinois. People with money in the town were indifferent to out of state tuition and the students persuaded their parents that Madison was far more fun than Champaign Urbana. Although fun is subjective, Madison is indeed a great college town At my high school in the Midwest those concerned about prestige head east or to Grinnell or Carleton. NU and UC great but viewed as too close to home. The really rich went to Boulder to ski. Notre Dame was popular, but was a lifelong project for many. A different population than DCUM types.

For those interested in something like accounting or engineering or comp sci I could not understand not choosing Illinois. It is a great value.

People in the Midwest like their sports. I think it great so long as a school is chosen for academic and orice reasons.

. One big advantage to me with Illinois was that if tired and wanted to get home you plop on the train to Chicago and sleep, and then grab the commuter trains which would bring you a mile or two from home. My friends agreed it made getting home a breeze and was safe, especially in winter. My best friend had a four day hangover after aerospace engineering finals at Illinois, and I told his father he at least had the sense to book train tickets early.
I don't know about prestige but he had a number of job offers with average grades from Illinois.

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Anonymous wrote:NJ is double the size of Wisconsin, with two huge metro area ( Philly and nyc). NY is nearly 5 times the population of Wisconsin, yet the SUNY system if lackluster. Wisconsin doesn’t even have a top 30 metro area, yet it somehow or another is able to find money/talent for a good state university. Where is all that money going for public schools in the NY/NJ?

Because there is a history of amazing private schools in NE, both LAC and Ivies. Rutgers had opportunity to join Ivy League way back when but declined.

Completely urban myth.

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Anonymous wrote:Silly thread even by DCUM standards. The different states’ public university systems evolved to address different needs. Madison was established to be the premier university in Wisconsin, to this day there’s only one other WI school in the top 100 (Marquette at 81), and the rest of Wisconsin’s public universities lag (very) far behind in resources and reputation. The SUNY system was established a century later, to complement a lot of strong existing private universities in NY state (currently NY has nine private universities among USNWR’s top 100 - more than any other state), and its resources were spread evenly over a number of different campuses with different programs. Result: Madison is WI’s only nationally known public university, while SUNY has three ranked in the top 100, and NY state sends nearly 10% more of its high school graduates to college than WI does (72% vs 64%). Hard to say which system is ‘better.’ But sure, if you’re a typical DCUM commenter attracted to colleges based on their sports ‘spirit,’ proximity to restaurants and shopping, and old buildings, give the nod to Madison.

+100. This is all driven by the collective insanity induced by the fact that admissions to the same colleges we went to are more difficult for our kids. Hence parents obsessed with an out of state flagship as a subsitute for prestige, with zero understanding of how higher education works.

I am from Lake County Illinois near the state line. The high school was excellent. A sizeable number of people at my high school chose Wisconsin over Illinois. People with money in the town were indifferent to out of state tuition and the students persuaded their parents that Madison was far more fun than Champaign Urbana. Although fun is subjective, Madison is indeed a great college town At my high school in the Midwest those concerned about prestige head east or to Grinnell or Carleton. NU and UC great but viewed as too close to home. The really rich went to Boulder to ski. Notre Dame was popular, but was a lifelong project for many. A different population than DCUM types.

For those interested in something like accounting or engineering or comp sci I could not understand not choosing Illinois. It is a great value.

People in the Midwest like their sports. I think it great so long as a school is chosen for academic and orice reasons.

. One big advantage to me with Illinois was that if tired and wanted to get home you plop on the train to Chicago and sleep, and then grab the commuter trains which would bring you a mile or two from home. My friends agreed it made getting home a breeze and was safe, especially in winter. My best friend had a four day hangover after aerospace engineering finals at Illinois, and I told his father he at least had the sense to book train tickets early.
I don't know about prestige but he had a number of job offers with average grades from Illinois.

true but I doubt your cohorts’ parents were talking all about how UIC is inferior and their kids have to go to Madison! I also lived in a state college town (California) and sure there were a handful of kids who opted for Boulder, Arizona or Eugene. But it was always just for a change of scenery or because they liked skiing or something.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

You should tell U WI to not promote the article then.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

You should tell U WI to not promote the article then.

They do it so idiots who eat up clickbait will apply.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

You should tell U WI to not promote the article then.

They do it so idiots who eat up clickbait will apply.

Wisconsin does not deserve a peer reputation of 4.1

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Anonymous wrote:SUNY is generally pretty corrupt and inept these days. Losing enrollment for the last five years. Geneseo, the flagship, is run by a president under federal investigation. Binghamton is the best, but it's nowhere close to RPI, Cornell, or other privates. The rest of the SUNY schools are now basically no-names.

Stony Brook and Buffalo are the NY flagships.

Yeah, yeah, look at my last post - and you're wrong anyway, cause it's Binghamton.

I keep having to correct you idiots:

https://news.stonybrook.edu/university/governor-hochul-names-stony-brook-a-flagship-university-in-state-of-the-state-address/

Ok. I mean, I disagree with her, but sure. I guess she gets to designate the flagships. As long as it's not Geneseo. Geneseo has turned into garbage.

Geneseo has always been crap.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason why so many NJ and NY kids go to school out of state or private.

Money.

They have the funds to send their kids away - out of state tuition and transportation to/from home for breaks.

The entire tri state area has a large concentration of high income earners so it makes sense their kids would have the opportunity to live in a new place for four years that other state kids might not have.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

You should tell U WI to not promote the article then.

They do it so idiots who eat up clickbait will apply.

So, you think a school that wants idiots to apply is a good school?

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

You should tell U WI to not promote the article then.

They do it so idiots who eat up clickbait will apply.

Wisconsin does not deserve a peer reputation of 4.1

That’s your call.

The rest of us can evaluate colleges without the Forbes clickbait article.

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Anonymous wrote:Silly thread even by DCUM standards. The different states’ public university systems evolved to address different needs. Madison was established to be the premier university in Wisconsin, to this day there’s only one other WI school in the top 100 (Marquette at 81), and the rest of Wisconsin’s public universities lag (very) far behind in resources and reputation. The SUNY system was established a century later, to complement a lot of strong existing private universities in NY state (currently NY has nine private universities among USNWR’s top 100 - more than any other state), and its resources were spread evenly over a number of different campuses with different programs. Result: Madison is WI’s only nationally known public university, while SUNY has three ranked in the top 100, and NY state sends nearly 10% more of its high school graduates to college than WI does (72% vs 64%). Hard to say which system is ‘better.’ But sure, if you’re a typical DCUM commenter attracted to colleges based on their sports ‘spirit,’ proximity to restaurants and shopping, and old buildings, give the nod to Madison.

+100. This is all driven by the collective insanity induced by the fact that admissions to the same colleges we went to are more difficult for our kids. Hence parents obsessed with an out of state flagship as a subsitute for prestige, with zero understanding of how higher education works.

I am from Lake County Illinois near the state line. The high school was excellent. A sizeable number of people at my high school chose Wisconsin over Illinois. People with money in the town were indifferent to out of state tuition and the students persuaded their parents that Madison was far more fun than Champaign Urbana. Although fun is subjective, Madison is indeed a great college town At my high school in the Midwest those concerned about prestige head east or to Grinnell or Carleton. NU and UC great but viewed as too close to home. The really rich went to Boulder to ski. Notre Dame was popular, but was a lifelong project for many. A different population than DCUM types.

For those interested in something like accounting or engineering or comp sci I could not understand not choosing Illinois. It is a great value.

People in the Midwest like their sports. I think it great so long as a school is chosen for academic and orice reasons.

. One big advantage to me with Illinois was that if tired and wanted to get home you plop on the train to Chicago and sleep, and then grab the commuter trains which would bring you a mile or two from home. My friends agreed it made getting home a breeze and was safe, especially in winter. My best friend had a four day hangover after aerospace engineering finals at Illinois, and I told his father he at least had the sense to book train tickets early.
I don't know about prestige but he had a number of job offers with average grades from Illinois.

They have buses from Madison to different points in and round Chicago that make the trip very easy.