If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree with OP’s entire premise. But to be generous I suppose one could argue that NY and NJ systems don’t have a singular flagship the way most states do, so it might feel like the system is weak. But it’s not.

Exactly. It has a number of extremely strong schools. As one example, if your kid is interested in medicine, there is almost no stronger place than stony Brook.

And Bing is great. As is Buffalo. And Albany. And there are a number of others like geneseo. But is there a single super popular flag ship with a well known sports culture? No, but your kid can still get an amazing education at any of these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:SUNY is generally pretty corrupt and inept these days. Losing enrollment for the last five years. Geneseo, the flagship, is run by a president under federal investigation. Binghamton is the best, but it's nowhere close to RPI, Cornell, or other privates. The rest of the SUNY schools are now basically no-names.

Now Geneseo is the flagship??? The misinformation on this thread would be hilarious if there weren't people who actually believe it.

It's because of how these systems were developed through history and the needs of the populations. Wisconsin having one amazingggg 🤩😍 flagship is more the result of a limited population with limited goals.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is a great school - but campus and school spirit suck.

The campus is a mishmash and so poorly designed.

+1 Students have decent outcomes (my niece went there), but the campus sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:NJ and NY didn't need a state flagship the way Wisconsin did. They have ivies.

This is true…plus MIT and all the SLACs.

BTW…Rutgers is 41 and Wisc 39…so, not even sure where the thread is coming from.

It’s a Wisconsin troll that appears from time to time. This thread is about boosting UWisconsin

I concur. It’s so obvious. Always mentions how few people live in Wisconsin and how great the school is in spite of the state’s population. The fact is that it’s not so great anymore compared to other top publics.

Has it really declined, or is just not that trendy at this moment? Even if its bias, I think it’s objectively clear that one of the worst long term investments would be UT Austin, U Georgia, U Florida, or any other contemporarily popular universities that will be adversely affected by climate change. I just don’t get the logic here. Why would parents send their kids to schools like Florida or Miami out of state ( schools, keep in mind, which were nothing 20 years ago) only to contemplate whether the campus will even still be there in 40 years.

It only takes 4-6 years to obtain an undergraduate degree. They should be okay.

But they have to live through hurricanes in those 4 to 6 years.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article293415794.html

An FSU freshman, Mia Cyanovich, 18, booked a $1,000 roundtrip ticket to fly back home to Pittsburgh. Her mother, who grew up in Tampa, warned her about the devastation across southwest and central Florida from Hurricane Charley in August 2004. “I don’t know what it’s like to be without power and heating for weeks on end,” she said. Her mother “really wanted me to come back and evacuate. She was panicking – as every parent was – because all the models were saying the hurricane was supposed to hit directly at Tallahassee. She was like, ‘Get the heck out of there.’”

Gotta factor in the flight cost for hurricane evacuation into the college cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Silly thread even by DCUM standards. The different states’ public university systems evolved to address different needs. Madison was established to be the premier university in Wisconsin, to this day there’s only one other WI school in the top 100 (Marquette at 81), and the rest of Wisconsin’s public universities lag (very) far behind in resources and reputation. The SUNY system was established a century later, to complement a lot of strong existing private universities in NY state (currently NY has nine private universities among USNWR’s top 100 - more than any other state), and its resources were spread evenly over a number of different campuses with different programs. Result: Madison is WI’s only nationally known public university, while SUNY has three ranked in the top 100, and NY state sends nearly 10% more of its high school graduates to college than WI does (72% vs 64%). Hard to say which system is ‘better.’ But sure, if you’re a typical DCUM commenter attracted to colleges based on their sports ‘spirit,’ proximity to restaurants and shopping, and old buildings, give the nod to Madison.

+100. This is all driven by the collective insanity induced by the fact that admissions to the same colleges we went to are more difficult for our kids. Hence parents obsessed with an out of state flagship as a subsitute for prestige, with zero understanding of how higher education works.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

? The vast majority of students at state colleges are from in state.

Regardless, people don't care about "number of teachers produced", "number of farmers helped".. when they choose a college. You have to be joking, or a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

Does Forbes look for the outcome *for the state*? Because that’s the whole purpose of state colleges. Number of teachers produced, number of farmers helped, number of useful patents produced.

? The vast majority of students at state colleges are from in state.

Regardless, people don't care about "number of teachers produced", "number of farmers helped".. when they choose a college. You have to be joking, or a fool.

so I’m supposed to care about Forbes clickbait instead of … the actual quality of a state university? state universities exist to provide benefits to the state. helping farmers is WHY Madison was established. if you don’t get this, you fail to understand how the system works.

https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

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Anonymous wrote:NJ is double the size of Wisconsin, with two huge metro area ( Philly and nyc). NY is nearly 5 times the population of Wisconsin, yet the SUNY system if lackluster. Wisconsin doesn’t even have a top 30 metro area, yet it somehow or another is able to find money/talent for a good state university. Where is all that money going for public schools in the NY/NJ?

Wisconsin isn’t as good as it once was. I guess its lack of a top 30 metro area is finally catching up.

still better than SUNY and a pretty nice school. One thing not mentioned above is that Wisconsin has reciprocity with a number of other midwestern states.

Tuition reciprocity? What other states other than Minnesota?

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Anonymous wrote:New York is building SUNY Stony Brook up to be a more traditional state flagship

This is the governor trolling for votes. Same with Buffalo.

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TBF It’s only NJ and NY (specifically the tri-state area) families who will send their kids to Wisconsin and Michigan. I grew up in CT and midwestern schools were just not a part of the college conversation as they are in NJ and NY.

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Anonymous wrote:New York is building SUNY Stony Brook up to be a more traditional state flagship

This is the governor trolling for votes. Same with Buffalo.

Not PP. No, it’s true. I have a college senior. They are building up Stony Brook to be at Binghamton’s stature.

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Tell me you don’t know Rutgers is a state university without telling me you don’t know Rutgers is a state university.