Yale sees DECREASE in Asian strudents from 30% to 24%; White students icnrease from 42% to 46%

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

…if well roundedness is a white thing, then the whites are right. I am black BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

Define "better." Better to whom?

To the harvard admissions committee.

Asians on average rated better on extra-curriculars.

Like juggling?

Like pretty much everything.

How many times do people have to tell you- mathletes and chess club is not a "valuable extra curricular" to most of these schools. Not sure why this fact seems to escape so many Asian people, but it's a huge reason for these numbers.

You don't really know anything about these schools do you?

You make it sound like clubs and sports teams are the sort of extra-curriculars that get you into these schools.

Being on the math team does nothing for you. Being in the international math Olympiad does. Literally no schools turn up their nose at that.
Being in the chess club does nothing for you, being a FIDE master or have won an important tournament.
The notion that Ivy+ would be nerd averse is fukken laughable.

If you have the right credentials, they don't care if you've only seen a ball on a geometry team.
It's amazing what people think matters in a world where all the billionaires are nerds and a very large portion of the people making over a million/year are nerds (or at least were when they applied to college)

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

of course I know that, that's why I listed off a number of different hobbies. Historically asians have tended to hyper focus on academics or academically-adjacent hobbies. Being a member of the chess club, mathletes, or model UN doesnt really add too much to your profile when youre applying at these competitive places. Ideally they would want a candidate with straight As, who can also play football, who's also into rock climbing, who also loves to paint, who also plays in a rock band on the weekend, who's also well liked by peers, etc. And these schools can afford to be choosy and hold out for exactly what they want. Oh well.

Who told you that? Your mama?
Asians are exceptional in the art and music areas as revealed in the Harvard case as well as sports just not at handful of certain ones like American football or basketball.

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/medals?utm_campaign=dp_google

Korea, Japan, China all ranked top 10 in the Paris Olympics.

Thank you for proving my point, 12 of the top 15 countries are caucasian countries. That's despite making up a very low percentage of the world population, especially in comparison to asians.

Yeah, but their athletes are black, dude.

Either white or black, very rarely Asian, that's certainly true. You hardly ever see Asian in professional group sports in the USA

Yeah but you were like 12 of the top 15 countries are caucasian countries ROFLMAO, most of those medalists are black, my dude
That would be like China saying asians are good fencers because the eastern european fencers that fence for them are chinese citizens.
I mean if we got rid of the 35 swimming events at the summer Olympics, all these "white countries" are getting a lot of their medals from black athletes.
OMGawd LOL The things you say...LOL

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what else people actually expected to happen.

Really, you have no idea what people expected?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

The SFFA opinion prohibits discrimination, not "overt" discrimination.

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities
may not simply establish through application essays or
other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice
on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat can-
not be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Consti-
tution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibi-
tion against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing,
40 STUDENTS FOR FAIR ADMISSIONS, INC. v. PRESIDENT
AND FELLOWS OF HARVARD COLLEGE
Opinion of the Court"
not the name.”

I think Yale over-tuned it's algorithm to try and maintain diversity.
I'm sure there will be a lawsuit, we will see how they changed their selection criteria and if it was meant to achieve racially discriminatory results.

Based on what? Maybe they were discriminating before so it’s more of the same

As long as the lawsuit doesn't get thrown out, they get discovery and that is where we will get information.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by [b]white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

Not just valued by white culture, valued by American culture. Emphasis on sports, working together to help your neighbors and community, being outdoorsy and self-reliant (camping, etc.) is an American thing. Assimilate.

I thought elite colleges wanted individuals who stand out. If you assimilate, you look like every other real American. I thought that's not what they are going for.

Who in the world gave you this impression? Majority of elite colleges have students who stay in America and take up the most prestigious jobs-IB, HF, PE, etc and other leisure class jobs. They literally run America.

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The Horror! Whatever will we do?

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Meh, they're still test optional. The dust hasn't settled yet.

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Brown saw an increase in Asian students by 14%. Every other group fell with black students falling 40%

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by [b]white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

Not just valued by white culture, valued by American culture. Emphasis on sports, working together to help your neighbors and community, being outdoorsy and self-reliant (camping, etc.) is an American thing. Assimilate.

I thought elite colleges wanted individuals who stand out. If you assimilate, you look like every other real American. I thought that's not what they are going for.

Who in the world gave you this impression? Majority of elite colleges have students who stay in America and take up the most prestigious jobs-IB, HF, PE, etc and other leisure class jobs. They literally run America.

So, elite colleges all want the same type of Biffy/Buff all-American athletic students? They want people to assimilate into white American culture?

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

Pray tell, what is a "better" extra-curricular?

IDK but I think Harold and Kumar were onto something. Well rounded for sure!

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Very surprising after brown and Princeton released statements

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Nobody is targetting black students. Asians are not asking for any favors or handouts or pity. They just don't want to be discriminated against.

They went after Affirmative Action instead of legacy admits with a racist lawyer handling the case. Pretty appalling.

Bingo.

And didn't touch ALDC or water polo recruited athletes either. Hmm...wonder why.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown saw an increase in Asian students by 14%. Every other group fell with black students falling 40%

Can we provide links like the OP did so everyone doesn't have to search for it in google

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Anonymous wrote:Brown saw an increase in Asian students by 14%. Every other group fell with black students falling 40%

Can we provide links like the OP did so everyone doesn't have to search for it in google

https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2024/09/at-brown-university-black-freshman-enrollment-drops-40