Yale sees DECREASE in Asian strudents from 30% to 24%; White students icnrease from 42% to 46%

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Nobody is targetting black students. Asians are not asking for any favors or handouts or pity. They just don't want to be discriminated against.

They went after Affirmative Action instead of legacy admits with a racist lawyer handling the case. Pretty appalling.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

The SFFA opinion prohibits discrimination, not "overt" discrimination.

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities
may not simply establish through application essays or
other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice
on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat can-
not be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Consti-
tution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibi-
tion against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing,
40 STUDENTS FOR FAIR ADMISSIONS, INC. v. PRESIDENT
AND FELLOWS OF HARVARD COLLEGE
Opinion of the Court"
not the name.”

I think Yale over-tuned it's algorithm to try and maintain diversity.
I'm sure there will be a lawsuit, we will see how they changed their selection criteria and if it was meant to achieve racially discriminatory results.

Based on what? Maybe they were discriminating before so it’s more of the same

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

of course I know that, that's why I listed off a number of different hobbies. Historically asians have tended to hyper focus on academics or academically-adjacent hobbies. Being a member of the chess club, mathletes, or model UN doesnt really add too much to your profile when youre applying at these competitive places. Ideally they would want a candidate with straight As, who can also play football, who's also into rock climbing, who also loves to paint, who also plays in a rock band on the weekend, who's also well liked by peers, etc. And these schools can afford to be choosy and hold out for exactly what they want. Oh well.

That's why you are seeing more Asian American kids in different sports. Look at the US olympic team. More Asian American olympians than ever before.

Mostly in spots like gymnastics. Asians dont tend to dominate whatsoever in sports that the US favors. There's a reason there arent many Asians in the NFL, NBA, rugby, etc, and it's not because of discrimination.

LMAO NFL and NBA are dominated by Blacks.
White people must be socially awkward or something.
Asians don't claim there's discrimination in the NFL or NBA.

and all other sports are dominated by whites.

And the NFL is black men — not black women.

Blacks is not equivalent to black men.

And there definitely aren't any asian women in the NBA and NFL. Wtf are you even talking about?
The point is that white people saying asians aren't athletic because they're not in the NBA and NFL are cracked if they think these are white dominated sports.
Dude, the only reason blacks don't dominate in your white sport is because they don't even know it exists.

There was a king fu/karate/tae kwon do tournament in NYC when I was a kid. For years, some korean tae kwon do guy would always win, then black men showed up and it wasn't long before it was all black men in the semifinals. Black men all trained by korean men. I wish asian men would do this for black men in academics, it wouldn't take long, maybe half a generation.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Nobody is targetting black students. Asians are not asking for any favors or handouts or pity. They just don't want to be discriminated against.

They went after Affirmative Action instead of legacy admits with a racist lawyer handling the case. Pretty appalling.

That's mostly because racial discrimination is illegal but preferences for the wealthy is not.

I'll tell you what, if you pass a constitutional amendment making it unconstitutional to favor wealthy kids, we will sue to get rid of legacy.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Nobody is targetting black students. Asians are not asking for any favors or handouts or pity. They just don't want to be discriminated against.

They went after Affirmative Action instead of legacy admits with a racist lawyer handling the case. Pretty appalling.

That's mostly because racial discrimination is illegal but preferences for the wealthy is not.

I'll tell you what, if you pass a constitutional amendment making it unconstitutional to favor wealthy kids, we will sue to get rid of legacy.

Completely ignore the entire reason we had affirmative action. It’s wrong to assume a URM took a spot you assumed was for an Asian kid. It isn’t a good look for the Asian community to trample over URM. They’re quite happy to support the discrimination of URMs.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Nobody is targetting black students. Asians are not asking for any favors or handouts or pity. They just don't want to be discriminated against.

They went after Affirmative Action instead of legacy admits with a racist lawyer handling the case. Pretty appalling.

That's mostly because racial discrimination is illegal but preferences for the wealthy is not.

I'll tell you what, if you pass a constitutional amendment making it unconstitutional to favor wealthy kids, we will sue to get rid of legacy.

Completely ignore the entire reason we had affirmative action. It’s wrong to assume a URM took a spot you assumed was for an Asian kid.

It isn’t a good look for the Asian community to trample over URM. They’re quite happy to support the discrimination of URMs.

So, what are you saying? That asians should sit quietly and weather racism against asians so that we can continue preferences for URM?

Do you really want to get into these schools out of white guilt and pity? Why not just study harder? I swear to you that studying makes a difference.

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I'm not sure what else people actually expected to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

So... stuff that anybody can do, no matter what their race...

Yes, i.e. normal people. People who look down on that stuff are not welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

Pray tell, what is a "better" extra-curricular?

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

of course I know that, that's why I listed off a number of different hobbies. Historically asians have tended to hyper focus on academics or academically-adjacent hobbies. Being a member of the chess club, mathletes, or model UN doesnt really add too much to your profile when youre applying at these competitive places. Ideally they would want a candidate with straight As, who can also play football, who's also into rock climbing, who also loves to paint, who also plays in a rock band on the weekend, who's also well liked by peers, etc. And these schools can afford to be choosy and hold out for exactly what they want. Oh well.

Who told you that? Your mama?
Asians are exceptional in the art and music areas as revealed in the Harvard case as well as sports just not at handful of certain ones like American football or basketball.

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/medals?utm_campaign=dp_google

Korea, Japan, China all ranked top 10 in the Paris Olympics.

Thank you for proving my point, 12 of the top 15 countries are caucasian countries. That's despite making up a very low percentage of the world population, especially in comparison to asians.

Yeah, but their athletes are black, dude.

Either white or black, very rarely Asian, that's certainly true. You hardly ever see Asian in professional group sports in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

Define "better." Better to whom?

To the harvard admissions committee.

Asians on average rated better on extra-curriculars.

Like juggling?

Like pretty much everything.

How many times do people have to tell you- mathletes and chess club is not a "valuable extra curricular" to most of these schools. Not sure why this fact seems to escape so many Asian people, but it's a huge reason for these numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

Pray tell, what is a "better" extra-curricular?

So silly! “Better EC” lol

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by [b]white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

Not just valued by white culture, valued by American culture. Emphasis on sports, working together to help your neighbors and community, being outdoorsy and self-reliant (camping, etc.) is an American thing. Assimilate.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

Pray tell, what is a "better" extra-curricular?

Whatever Harvard indicated was "better" per that chart.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by [b]white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

Not just valued by white culture, valued by American culture. Emphasis on sports, working together to help your neighbors and community, being outdoorsy and self-reliant (camping, etc.) is an American thing. Assimilate.

I thought elite colleges wanted individuals who stand out. If you assimilate, you look like every other real American. I thought that's not what they are going for.