How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

They just care about how they look and want to pat themselves on the back and show how woke they are. You must be too big of a sycophant to see that in order to attribute basically any good qualities to higher education in America. It is a complete money grubbing cesspool that needs serious reform.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

They just care about how they look and want to pat themselves on the back and show how woke they are. You must be too big of a sycophant to see that in order to attribute basically any good qualities to higher education in America. It is a complete money grubbing cesspool that needs serious reform.

You know they could just…not waste financial aid dollars on these students or not accept students of color then, right? Like there’s so many alternative ways they could support diversity at a distance that cost way less

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Anonymous wrote:Underrated method of disclosing race: including in your award section a College Board National Recognition Program Award, with the specific minority group named in the title.

Yes and it works.

+1. IYKYK

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges look to a students’ extracurriculars and their essays to determine race, and then they look at the transcript to determine if said student can do the work.

Apparently this is against the law, but this past admission cycle I saw it in action. I know of one student in particular who got admitted into two of the hardest schools in the country (non ivies) with a transcript that was shockingly weak, relying on online schools and easy DE classes to secure a 4.0. It worked!

Eh I know an Indian girl who did online school and a few women in computing groups that got her into MIT. Online school is a big advantage

The bigger advantage may have been the "woman" factor. MIT has a much higher admission rate for women... And there are some extremely challenging online schools with very demanding workloads. At any rate, here is the breakdown of the MIT class of 2027. https://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/profile/

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I don’t know who the mods are or how it works here, but there’s genuine racism on this thread

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, Asians have a very hard time with admissions. One interviewer at an ivy told my child that she was “just too Asian” and recommended she play the drums instead of a string instrument. !
However, there are still schools out there who don’t care and see the whole student -not just their race.

Did not happen.

It really did. Why would I make that up?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

Top can also mean creative ideas. Not everything can be measured by a test. I would not want my kid to attend an Ivy if they are not diverse. What can you learn from your friends, if everyone grew up the same?

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We moved from anti-Asian racism to anti-black racism. The joys of DCUM

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

Top can also mean creative ideas. Not everything can be measured by a test. I would not want my kid to attend an Ivy if they are not diverse. What can you learn from your friends, if everyone grew up the same?

So now Asians aren’t creative? Hmm…

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[twitter]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

They. Are. Everywhere.
You might just fixate too much on black women my dude. It’s ok to get help.

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DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

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Anonymous wrote:The Court explicitly said an applicant can state their race in different parts of their application. Of course colleges are looking for it.

The proof will be in the accepted stats from the next few cycles.

If I were a top school, I’d just cut the plug on uploading common data sets and turn institutional data to a private affair. We are one or two republic administrations away from there being no race anywhere; which will be interesting…

Personally, I want my kids to attend a school with diversity. Social and economically. I don't want my kids at a school with all wealthy kids (we are wealthy). They will forge their own path in life and we don't care who they end up marrying. (ie they are not at college to find a mate)
I want to ensure the smart kids who didn't have as great of an upbringing as my kids get opportunities in life. This can change the trajectory of their life (and of their entire family really).
My kids didn't want to attend a school with only rich white/Asians any more than they want to attend a HBCU.. They want diversity.